[golfhobo]

Skywalker: I HOPE you didn't think I was "busting" on your original post. It just got me to thinking about the state of affairs our society is in. I think we agree on most of this. And, diabetes IS a killer.... and it was good that you reminded us all to watch our diets.

About that study your wife read, though..... I can't help but wonder about the elephant in the room!? What I mean is.....

The study found that the upswing in diabetes was NOT linked to regular sodas with sugar, and the implication was that it possibly WAS linked to the diet sodas. Maybe.... maybe not.

Although a very few people prefer the taste of the 'diets' most of them are consumed by WHO?? OVERWEIGHT PEOPLE who think it gives them permission to keep eating like pigs.... as long as they cut out the sugared sodas! :shock:

So does it surprise you that there is an upswing in diabetes in overweight people with bad diets..... who drink diet sodas as pennance?

I don't know the particulars of the study, but I'll bet the majority of those contracting diabetes had an eating problem, as evidenced by their concern to leave sugar out of their sodas. (The elephant in the room.)

Just a thought! :wink:

Here is one more little tidbit also everyone. They finally figured out what caused my Epilepsy. I always thought it was from all the head to head shots I took playing football then the final straw was when I was rearended in my own Personal Car in 2000 NOPE. Turns out it was the Nutrasweet used to sweeten the Diet soda I was drinking on the road. My new Specialist for my Epilepsy tried a new test via IV last time I saw him and he nailed it as the cause of my seizures as long as I avoid it at all costs I will stay seizure free however I have to read every label of what I buy and pray that they do not add it to stuff I know is free of it.

[mommee]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006

Here is one more little tidbit also everyone. They finally figured out what caused my Epilepsy. I always thought it was from all the head to head shots I took playing football then the final straw was when I was rearended in my own Personal Car in 2000 NOPE. Turns out it was the Nutrasweet used to sweeten the Diet soda I was drinking on the road. My new Specialist for my Epilepsy tried a new test via IV last time I saw him and he nailed it as the cause of my seizures as long as I avoid it at all costs I will stay seizure free however I have to read every label of what I buy and pray that they do not add it to stuff I know is free of it.

Glad the doctor found the cause for your epilepsy. Who would have thought? They say nutrasweet is suppose to be safe. I don't use those sugar and salt substitutes when cooking. They are full of unnatural things and can't be that good. I always taste the difference anyway. Good luck!

[rcpilot]

Almost ALL the sodas produced today, with a few exceptions..like Jones and a single Dr. Pepper plant in the midwest, do not use real sugar but instead use "High Fructose Corn Syrup" which is worse for your heath then real sugar.. I cut back to only 1 soda a day and drink iced tea the remainder and lost 10lbs in 3 months... I can't use those no calorie water flavor packets as the artifical flavor stuff gives me headaches.. which by the way, the wal-mart brand of water flavors are great tasting, one packet in a 16-20 oz bottle

[madii'swife]

Originally Posted by Darin Younce

We're all "joking" about this.... but I can't help but believe that there is a RELATIONSHIP between the lack of "interaction" with the environment.... and the "intolerance" of it! It's the IMMUNE SYSTEM people! You get Immune to something by facing and beating it! When you crawl inside your homes and play video games.... you LOSE that immunity!

Gh, I have been preaching this for years. Kids need to get down and dirty. Mud pies ( yep we tried a bite ) creek water ( drank plenty) . Crappy ole barns , forts in the woods , eating apples, pears, grapes without ever thinking of washin em. Now kids are either overweight or have every allergy known to man. D**M the Xbox!

Count my "kids" out of this, although I don't have any young goats, just children :wink: . I've had more than one Grandma applaud me for mine eating dirt (have one that used to eat it by the handfuls if you'd let him). In some of the more REAL studies, a child's first 3 years determine his immunity to many things, and dirt contains a lot of those things. Mine are encouraged (and beg to) go run, play, half live outdoors. When I remember to I clean hands off before meals, but I don't always remember. You will find no antibacterial soap in my house, as its been shown (once again in the somewhat REAL studies) to encourage germ mutation into bigger, badder illnesses.

But...then again...my children are "deprived" in a lot of people's eyes. No TV, no video games, no public school, they spend 2-3 hours daily learning quite adequately what they need to know, and the rest doing what children do best...playing. No doctor has been allowed to inject liquid poison in them 12 (or is it more than that now) times before they even learn to walk either, but those things are quite another subject :wink:

Oh..I can count on one hand still the number of times my daughter has been sick with normal illnesses. And I have one son who has never had anything worse than baby measles (roseola). I have some of the healthiest children I know..yet most of America wants to tell me that they're "deprived" and "medically neglected". Somehow I'm just not convinced.

[inmate1577]

Well count me out of the crowd that doesnt get their kids immunized. With a large influx of illegals and not-so illegals....count on a large influx of diseases that have been largely non-existent in this country, I'm not taking any chances with my kid's health.

As far as any germs becoming immune to anti-bacterial soap, its non-conclusive. Most anti-bacterial soaps have alcohol in them, and germs, no matter how big or small cannot build up an immunity to alcohol which is why its still used for sterilization and wound cleaning.

My kid runs and plays outdoors, climbs and swings and all the other fun stuff kids do. I'm not in the camp of letting her eat dirt though. If you let your kid eat dirt, I guess you should let them drink stagnant pond water too. Whats a little giardia and dysntery...right?

If you are going to let your kid (plural) engage in dangerous behavior to prove a point, you might as well set them on fire to show them the dangers of playing with matches too.

[golfhobo]

I agree with you, Inmate.... especially about the "immigration" of diseases that we are not used to. I'm not advocating NOT immunizing our children. I'm just against coddling them, and overprotecting them from every last germ on Earth.

I personally think barsoap is effective enough, and my only statement about antibacterials was that "comparison shopping" of multiple brand names is a bit of overkill.

However, there is no doubt that certain diseases (like MRSA) have "evolved" into resistant strains mostly due to the overuse of antibiotics in our society.

I never cared much for the taste of mudpies, but I've played in dirt and mud plenty. I don't use my elbow to dispense paper towels, nor my knuckle to use a fuel card reader. :roll:

As for setting your child on fire..... Hmmm.... never thought of THAT one! :lol: But, when my child was very young, she seemed INTENT on reaching for a pot of boiling water on the stove. So... (and some of you won't like this...) I once held her tiny hand to the outside of the pot - for JUST a second or so - so that she would get the idea! She never reached for it again.

As usual, this thread has morphed a bit, but my original point was.... if the GOVERNMENT (or the pharmaceutical industry) tells me something manmade is gonna be BETTER for me than something GOD made (or is found naturally in the environment,) I hide my wallet and change the channel! :wink:

Here's one of the latest ones that bothers me: The commercial says, "Chances of a babysitter calling 911, one in 14,000..... chances of your child being diagnosed with autism, one in 150!! " :shock:

I call B.S!!! There are NOT 1 in every 150 children out there who are autistic! Sounds like a bit of OVERDIAGNOSIS going on! Somewhat akin to that of ADHD!! :roll:

[madii'swife]

LOL I knew I would hear about the immunizations, although I fail to see what supposedly innoculating against current known diseases (which doesn't work either, since most of the recent (20 years) breakouts have been in totally vaccinnated populations) has to do with foreigners bringing disease in, which with a strong enough immune system are fought off anyhow.

I will leave my ideas on autism alone, but suffice it to say that I don't believe its any "accident" how many children are getting diagnosed with it or other things on the "spectrum" its now on.

GH, I do agree that we need to focus on God made things, not man made, and trust the purest, non-tampered form of things.

Inmate, not sure if the idea of "letting" my child engage in dangerous activity was aimed at me, but I fail to see what eating a little bit of dirt in one's toddlerhood has to do with being set on fire, or stale pond water for that matter. Nor do I, or intend to purposely let my children engage in things that are truly dangerous. I guess the difference in opinion lies in what is and isn't dangerous. If you truly believe that dirt is dangerous, then you might have a problem living very fully, as its everywhere, not just the ground, and do you really believe that we play and work in it without ever consuming any of it in any manner?

Reminds me of people who get all uptight and grossed out by people eating insects (not saying I do so no bashing there), when you consume at least 8 spiders a year in your sleep

[Twilight Flyer]

No doctor has been allowed to inject liquid poison in them 12 (or is it more than that now) times before they even learn to walk either, but those things are quite another subject.

First of all, immunizations and antibiotics are two seperate things. I agree that antibiotics are over-used and will eventually lead to some super-germs that are going to kill a whole lotta people. But immunizations are completely different.

While I quite agree with your position on kids getting outside and playing instead of sitting their cans in front of a TV or game system, I am very much in disagreement with your stance on immunizations. You claim it's for their "health", but what happens when your children turn out to be a carrier and come into contact with someone with a compromised immune system, who ends up catching it from your unimunized child and dying?

Frankly, I never understood the stance on not immunizing your children. The potential side-effects of immunizations are infintismally (sp?) small...much smaller than letting them take a chance with diseases that could cripple or kill them. Additionally, you end up doing a disservice to those around them, not to mention your children when they grow older and realize they aren't immunized against diseases that killed countless millions in the past. Immunizations are as much for the general population as they are for the person that gets it.

Look at diseases like polio and small pox. Developing a cure and a vaccine against horrible diseases like this has saved countless lives. So how can you equate a vaccination to "injecting liquid poison into them"? Mark my words, too. As more and more people move away from immunizations, the next epidemic of a killer disease will go a long way to lowering world population and property values.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to get my annual flu shot.

[kblickster]

I grew up on a tobacco farm - stayed dirty (filthy) 14 to 16 hours a day, was exposed to chemicals long ago banned by the government. Ate what we raised. Still healthy all these years later.

My kids, who did play outside and get dirty and ate their veggies (store bought) have health problems - allergies, asthma, pre-cancerous skin cells........

Luck of the draw? Chemicals in their food? Sodas?

Just doing my best to try and eat a healthy, balanced diet and to keep out of the Dr's office. Can't afford insurance and illness to.