Way to alienate yourself even further, Dawn:

So now, when these people you claim to want to help so bad cannot understand you (due to your lousy explanations), they have an intelligence problem?

You are pathetic, Dawn. :roll:

 

understanding something and conveying that knowledge to others is not one and the same,I think your comunication skills are poor.IMO

 

We've been telling her that since she arrived here, but apparently her comprehension skills are even worse. :lol:

 

I started a war, when all i want to be is Switzerland! 8)

 

Dawn wrote:

This is not a good practice. Sometimes, I come in from the road and there are 4 pages on a topic. I ALWAYS read the entire thread before answering "out of turn" to be sure it hasn't already been stated, etc. You might want to try this.

And...

The Rev was just adding HIS answer to others. Happens all the time. As to why it was incorrect? Obviously, he read the question wrongly as others did. He has never claimed to be perfect. And he never gave incorrect information after realizing his mistake.

And...

This is not true. I had allready given the correct answer, the Rev had allready corrected himself, and Bicycle Boy had confirmed my answer AND quoted the regs, AND given a well worded and concise explanation... ALL BEFORE YOU ANSWERED.

I believe my answer made perfect sense to Mike3fan AND the others. I did not feel the need to quote the regs, OR explain exactly how to figure out the answer. My answer indicated the correct calculations.

I APOLOGIZE to the Rev for my insinuation that I would be "assailed." I was a bit defensive from the way another thread was going.

As it turned out, I didn't HAVE to defend my answer, as everyone "got it." My apologies to all for being defensive.

Dawn, you are NOT the only one here who knows the correct answers. However, and I apologize if this offends you but, you are OFTEN very confusing in your answers. Just as comprehending the question is important, so is the WAY one explains the answer. Unfortunately, your grammar often obscures your knowledge. I don't know what to tell you about fixing that. Spellcheck is of no real help for "composition." Perhaps, Adult Education might "remedy" your situation. I think you said something somewhere about "napping" during English classes. That was, obviously, a BIG mistake. But, it CAN be corrected. Just a little food for thought.

 

Well golfhobo now you went and done it. You implied Dawn fails in her ability to convey her thoughts in a manner that others can understand. I'm sure she will add you the growing list of those that just don't understand. Welcome to the "they don't understand list".

Have no fear Dawn will continue and on and on.

kc0iv

 

Believe it or not.... I don't like offending people! :shock: I feel that Dawn has gotten a raw deal from many truckers on this site, but then again, she has often deserved it. Truckers are not often of the kindly persuasion! Had she joined the site and ONLY answered logging questions when they were asked, she might have been "accepted," regardless of her poor English skills. After all.... many others on here are equally deficient!

Her fate was sealed when she came here, without credentials as a driver, and OFFERED answers and advice to questions that had not been asked. We've ALL met these kind of "drivers attorneys" at the lunch counter. (and they are usually DRIVERS!) I believe her intentions were well meaning. Unfortunately, her defenses were ill equipped and poorly managed.

The attacks on her have been BRUTAL, and nothing less than I expected from many of the types of drivers I have met in my short time on the road (but beneath the quality of participants on this board.) Drivers seem to get a sense of power from belittling another. I don't quite understand why. It's in the genes, I think. No matter. It is what it is. You don't bring a slingshot to a gunfight!

That is why I have been a staunch opponent to the many WIMPS who choose to get into the driving profession. It takes a thick skin, and a steel will. I would want no other than a military veteran or a trucker in my foxhole! And it really makes no difference to me whether you have perfect English or not! However, a certain grasp of SIMPLE mathematics would be helpfull!

The Federal HOS regs are confusing, no doubt. And no one, I repeat NO ONE (including The REV, Dawn or MYSELF) has ever been perfectly accurate or clear in explaining them. The language has its imperfections. But the math is SIMPLE!!! There's no trigonometry involved here folks! Just simple addition and subtraction! But, the problem doesn't lie in the Math.... it is in the comprehension of the regs. If they were written more clearly, anyone could understand the math!

So, those who stumble are only human. And those who try to explain it, are often just the same. 18 years as a log manager means nothing if you can't explain the simple process of logging in clear language.

But, 20 years of trucking means NO MORE, if you can't adapt to a simple change of rulings and a new math equation!

The SIMPLE question of how to log comes up over and over on these boards! Makes me wonder how SOME people got the job in the first place! This is NOT your grandfather's trucking industry anymore!

No... KayCee! I'm not OFF the fence yet. I won't fall into either camp until ONE of them steps UP!! Until then, I'll remain as always, an independant trucker! Just ME and the ROAD! At least THERE I know we BOTH understand the rules!

Hobo

 

That's why i don't use "split" anymore, since new "Amendment"! :lol: :wink:

 

solo379 wrote:

That's why i don't use "split" anymore, since new "Amendment"!

I will agree with you about the split. In a way I wish they would have just gotten rid of the split with the way they done it.

Hey Rev you did a pretty good job of explaining it. It took me some time with the regs and the examples that have been on the JJ Keller site to understand it. Both our safety person who is part owner and me to sit down and work with the examples to understand it.

I wish they would go back over that part and make it more simpler and less confusing

 

Remember this much if you just take the 2 hours sleeper berth and add it to the 8 hours sleeper berth then that gives you 10 consecutive hours of sleeper berth, and gives you the full credits of hours to run, show the onduty not driving before the sleeper berth.
When you are at the shippers gates you are on private property, and if ur not getting paid by the hour then why screw yourself on the log books.
this is not breaking the laws just bending them a little bit.
most people are not going to show everything they did just as they do it cause this would be impossible to do. human error.

I do not advocate breaking any law or rules but however its all a rat race and if it looks good on paper then ur ok unless you have a DOT inspector watching you the whole time you are thee. you know this, they know this, and the company knows this. and never own up to doctoring any books, a forgetfull mind is an invaluable tool in this industry.