Log book question......
#1
03-15-2007, 09:32 AM
Log book question......
I've heard you have a 75 mile radius around your base to haul without a log book. Is this correct? If so, what do I need to put in the log book on the days I'm running locally? Thanks, Phillip
#2
03-15-2007, 10:26 AM
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It is 100 miles unless your state has a different rule for intrastate.
In order to not use a log book you must have some sort of time record kept at the office of the hours worked. Also just because you are not using a log book you are still subject to the hours of service. Also you must report back to your work reporting location at the end of the day. As far as using a log book one day and not the next, on the days you do not use a log book just write in local work in the remarks section and log the time worked on line 4.
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#5
03-15-2007, 01:41 PM
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
I thought they changed this to a 150 mile air radius? :?
Drivers of property-carrying CMVs which do not require a Commercial Driver's License for operation and who operate within a 150 air-mile radius of their normal work reporting location:
#6
03-15-2007, 01:42 PM
Actually, the other driver at the company who's CDL was grandfathered in said 75miles. A good friend of mine said 150miles. I wasn't sure who to believe.
Guess it's 150. -Phillip
#7
03-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
I thought they changed this to a 150 mile air radius? :?
Drivers of property-carrying CMVs which do not require a Commercial Driver's License for operation and who operate within a 150 air-mile radius of their normal work reporting location:
#8
03-15-2007, 01:58 PM
Originally Posted by Kentuckydiesel
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
I thought they changed this to a 150 mile air radius? :?
Drivers of property-carrying CMVs which do not require a Commercial Driver's License for operation and who operate within a 150 air-mile radius of their normal work reporting location:
#9
03-15-2007, 01:59 PM
Looks like 150 if the vehicle doesn't require a CDL
100 if it is a CDL vehicle, and the employer must keep time records.
(e) Short-haul operations.
(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.8 if: (e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location; (e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours; (e)(1)(iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iii)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iv)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 11 hours maximum driving time following 10 consecutive hours off duty; or (e)(1)(iv)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and (e)(1)(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: (e)(1)(v)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and (e)(1)(v)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently. (e)(2) Operators of property-carrying commercial motor vehicles not requiring a commercial driver’s license. Except as provided in this paragraph, a driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.3 and §395.8 and ineligible to use the provisions of §395.1(e)(1), (g) and (o) if: (e)(2)(i) The driver operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle for which a commercial driver’s license is not required under part 383 of this subchapter; (e)(2)(ii) The driver operates within a 150 air-mile radius of the location where the driver reports to and is released from work, i.e., the normal work reporting location; (e)(2)(iii) The driver returns to the normal work reporting location at the end of each duty tour; (e)(2)(iv) The driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each on-duty period; (e)(2)(v) The driver does not drive more than 11 hours following at least 10 consecutive hours off duty; (e)(2)(vi) The driver does not drive: (e)(2)(vi)(A) After the 14th hour after coming on duty on 5 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; and (e)(2)(vi)(B) After the 16th hour after coming on duty on 2 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; (e)(2)(vii) The driver does not drive: (e)(2)(vii)(A) After having been on duty for 60 hours in 7 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier does not operate commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; (e)(2)(vii)(B) After having been on duty for 70 hours in 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; (e)(2)(viii) Any period of 7 or 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours. (e)(2)(ix) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: (e)(2)(ix)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.
#10
03-15-2007, 02:14 PM
Originally Posted by Kentuckydiesel
Looks like 150 if the vehicle doesn't require a CDL
100 if it is a CDL vehicle, and the employer must keep time records.
(e) Short-haul operations.
(e)(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.8 if: (e)(1)(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location; (e)(1)(ii) The driver, except a driver-salesperson, returns to the work reporting location and is released from work within 12 consecutive hours; (e)(1)(iii)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iii)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver has at least 8 consecutive hours off duty separating each 12 hours on duty; (e)(1)(iv)(A) A property-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 11 hours maximum driving time following 10 consecutive hours off duty; or (e)(1)(iv)(B) A passenger-carrying commercial motor vehicle driver does not exceed 10 hours maximum driving time following 8 consecutive hours off duty; and (e)(1)(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: (e)(1)(v)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (e)(1)(v)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and (e)(1)(v)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently. (e)(2) Operators of property-carrying commercial motor vehicles not requiring a commercial driver’s license. Except as provided in this paragraph, a driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.3 and §395.8 and ineligible to use the provisions of §395.1(e)(1), (g) and (o) if: (e)(2)(i) The driver operates a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle for which a commercial driver’s license is not required under part 383 of this subchapter; (e)(2)(ii) The driver operates within a 150 air-mile radius of the location where the driver reports to and is released from work, i.e., the normal work reporting location; (e)(2)(iii) The driver returns to the normal work reporting location at the end of each duty tour; (e)(2)(iv) The driver has at least 10 consecutive hours off duty separating each on-duty period; (e)(2)(v) The driver does not drive more than 11 hours following at least 10 consecutive hours off duty; (e)(2)(vi) The driver does not drive: (e)(2)(vi)(A) After the 14th hour after coming on duty on 5 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; and (e)(2)(vi)(B) After the 16th hour after coming on duty on 2 days of any period of 7 consecutive days; (e)(2)(vii) The driver does not drive: (e)(2)(vii)(A) After having been on duty for 60 hours in 7 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier does not operate commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; (e)(2)(vii)(B) After having been on duty for 70 hours in 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week; (e)(2)(viii) Any period of 7 or 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours. (e)(2)(ix) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing: (e)(2)(ix)(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; (e)(2)(ix)(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently. 
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