Split sleeper berth question
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Rev.Vassago , 03-10-2007 12:21 PM
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this is not breaking the laws just bending them a little bit.
Oh jeez - not this crap again. Have you been talking to Dawn?Originally Posted by Jack_07
When you are at the shippers gates you are on private property, and if ur not getting paid by the hour then why screw yourself on the log books.this is not breaking the laws just bending them a little bit.
It doesn't matter if you are on private property or not. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules. If you aren't logging it as you did it, then you are breaking the rules. :roll:
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I do not advocate breaking any law or rules but however its all a rat race and if it looks good on paper then ur ok unless you have a DOT inspector watching you the whole time you are thee. you know this, they know this, and the company knows this. and never own up to doctoring any books, a forgetfull mind is an invaluable tool in this industry.
You don't advoacate breaking the law, yet you tell everyone to do it because "it's expected"? :roll:I do not advocate breaking any law or rules but however its all a rat race and if it looks good on paper then ur ok unless you have a DOT inspector watching you the whole time you are thee. you know this, they know this, and the company knows this. and never own up to doctoring any books, a forgetfull mind is an invaluable tool in this industry.
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I stuck a stick into a hornets nest didn't I Rev. lol
I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.
Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the onduty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.
Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the onduty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
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I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.
Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the onduty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
It would depend if you had a time stamped BOL.Originally Posted by Jack_07
I stuck a stick into a hornets nest didn't I Rev. lolI have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.
Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the onduty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
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That was a very good answer KC, and in that case the log book needs to match with the time stamps on fuel tickets, bills, reciepts of any kind that might be found in the drivers posession at the time of inspection. and in the case of the driver that started this thread that gets paid by the hour he needs to log to get paid, so it really needs to be done as he did it.
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Rev.Vassago , 03-11-2007 09:39 AM
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You're probably correct. That doesn't make it right.Originally Posted by Jack_07
I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.
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Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the onduty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
It is people like you that are the reason they want to install on board recorders in trucks - something I totally support.Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the onduty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
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Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
I doubt it.Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
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I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.
Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the on duty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
DOT has sat outside shippers/consignee's before (as my phone was ringing off the hook, I was new to the company so they wasn't told to log line 4 for loading/unloading as many companies do not stress to log line 4 time for this). The drivers was being pulled over once they was leaving.Originally Posted by Jack_07
I stuck a stick into a hornets nest didn't I Rev. lolI have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.
Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the on duty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?
Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.
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The way you log should not have anything to do with getting paid.Originally Posted by Jack_07
That was a very good answer KC, and in that case the log book needs to match with the time stamps on fuel tickets, bills, reciepts of any kind that might be found in the drivers posession at the time of inspection. and in the case of the driver that started this thread that gets paid by the hour he needs to log to get paid, so it really needs to be done as he did it.
I can pay you to be in the sleeper if I want. Many drivers get detention pay and they are in the sleeper. The point is they should log line 4 when working but not driving. They can prove you was on line 4 "sometimes". Other times it is just common sense it would take @ least 15 minutes.
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I can pay you to be in the sleeper if I want. Many drivers get detention pay and they are in the sleeper. The point is they should log line 4 when working but not driving. They can prove you was on line 4 "sometimes". Other times it is just common sense it would take @ least 15 minutes.
Ok Miss Noitall,how is my tanker gonna get loaded with my tare weight and gross weight if I don't scale it in and out and be present and able to perform emergency procedures if I am not on duty?Originally Posted by Dawn
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The way you log should not have anything to do with getting paid.Originally Posted by Jack_07
That was a very good answer KC, and in that case the log book needs to match with the time stamps on fuel tickets, bills, reciepts of any kind that might be found in the drivers posession at the time of inspection. and in the case of the driver that started this thread that gets paid by the hour he needs to log to get paid, so it really needs to be done as he did it.
I can pay you to be in the sleeper if I want. Many drivers get detention pay and they are in the sleeper. The point is they should log line 4 when working but not driving. They can prove you was on line 4 "sometimes". Other times it is just common sense it would take @ least 15 minutes.
I am familiar with all creative ways of logging,my original post was asking about splitting my sleeper berth between going into the plant and loading and continuing my break afterwards.How would you suggest I explain to Mr. Dot-man how my truck got scaled in and out if I was in the sleeper berth and I do not have a co-driver?
The log certainly does have an affect on getting detention,Ihave to be in the plant to get detention and to get into the plant I must first scale my truck and trailer,which is time stamped.
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Rev.Vassago , 03-11-2007 11:54 PM
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In Dawn's world, trailers unload themselves. :lol: Originally Posted by mike3fan
Ok Miss Noitall,how is my tanker gonna get loaded with my tare weight and gross weight if I don't scale it in and out and be present and able to perform emergency procedures if I am not on duty?
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I am familiar with all creative ways of logging,my original post was asking about splitting my sleeper berth between going into the plant and loading and continuing my break afterwards.How would you suggest I explain to Mr. Dot-man how my truck got scaled in and out if I was in the sleeper berth and I do not have a co-driver?
Isn't it funny how "Miss I-Want-You-All-To-Run-Legal" is advocating creative logging now? :lol: :lol: :roll:I am familiar with all creative ways of logging,my original post was asking about splitting my sleeper berth between going into the plant and loading and continuing my break afterwards.How would you suggest I explain to Mr. Dot-man how my truck got scaled in and out if I was in the sleeper berth and I do not have a co-driver?
