Curious…if I make the statement that everywhere in the world where Muslims have immigrated to non-Islamic countries in mass without exception they have refused to assimilate and integrate, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that everywhere Muslims have immigrated to the non-Islamic world in mass those countries soon became the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in non-Islamic countries where Muslims have not yet immigrated to in mass those countries have not become the victim yet of Islamic terror attacks, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If I make the statement that in every Islamic country in the world, all 57 of them if you consider the disputed territories in Israel to be an Islamic state, without exception non-Muslim dhimmis that are unfortunate enough to be stuck living in an Islamic state, as a rule are always horribly discriminated against and harshly oppressed, would you consider that statement to be racist even though it is demonstrably true and therefore legitimate criticism?

If you believe that Islam is a harmless and peaceful religion similar to other religions then by all means please demonstrate it. For instance, can you point to just one single instance of war (jihad) when an Islamic state or entity fought against each other or against non-Islamic kafirs when the Muslims fighting didn’t resort to emulating their Prophet Muhammad by employing the tactics of total warfare, that is by resorting to using their own brethren as human shields, their own children as soldiers (jihadis), the targeting of innocent women, children, and the elderly non-combatants, and by always resorting to terrorism while at the same time they accuse their enemies of being terrorists? Not to mention, if you can only point to one single incident, what does it say about all the other incidents?

The reality is Muslims never willingly adhere to western law, international law, or otherwise. They only adhere to Islamic Sharia law because to do otherwise would be blasphemy, and blasphemy like apostasy in Islam is punishable by death.

Thus, if I ask you other than honor killings, genital mutilation, oppression of gays, institutionalized oppression of women and non-Muslim dhimmis, institutionalized prejudice against all non-Muslim dhimmis and kafirs, extreme bigotry against Jews and other non-Muslims, riots against Israel, rampant anti-Semitism, worldwide riots against Muhammad cartoons, riots and condemnation against any and all criticism of Islam, legitimate or otherwise, Islamic supremacism, refusal to assimilate and integrate, backwardness, barbarianism, intimidation, constant demands for Islamic Sharia Law, subversion to remove all obstacles to the eventual imposition of Islamic Sharia Law, incessant claims of victimhood, false, fake, and non-existent claims of discrimination, exploitation of our freedoms and laws for the purpose of subverting us and using those laws against us, threats of terrorism, and Islamic terrorist attacks, what do Muslims have to contribute to America that makes all their excess baggage worth it? Could you answer that question and at the same time prove that that question is racist even though it is all demonstrably true and therefore constitutes legitimate criticism?

 

Can you provide the source where you got these "facts"? I'm not saying they are not in fact "fact", but please provide the resource to back up your statements. I'm not picking on you here and your post is not over the line IMHO. I am saying don't be surprised if you get called out on your statements. Be prepared to back them up with something other than just your opinion. I'm sure there are others here that would love the chance to pick apart your post. As long as it is done without personal attacks, racial slurs and such....... feel free to debate it among yourselves. :thumbsup:

Honest, respectful, free debate....... what a concept!


Ridge

 

Source? My sources consist of the thousands of articles, research papers, and more than a hundred books that I have read regarding Islam, Muslims, and the history of Islam since 9/11/2001. I follow anything and everything having to do with Islam and Muslims very closely and everything I have mentioned above is true and thereby contitutes legitimate criticism, unless you think you can prove anything I said above isn’t true or is exaggerated. Good luck?

Thus, you see I am not a racist in any way since my criticisms are all based on reality, are all true, and are therefore legitimate, unless you have a problem with legitimate criticism and the exercise of freedom of speech thereof and in which political correct multiculturalism, which has afflicted our society like the Bubonic Plague afflicted the world in the Dark Ages, attempts to severely limit.

Nevertheless, there is a worldwide campaign led by the Saudi sponsored Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) which is making a very concerted and well financed attempt to silence any and all criticism of Islam legitimate or otherwise, and in this campaign they are using our own laws and freedoms very effectively against us.

If you or anyone else for that matter think you can “pick apart my post” then by all mean make my day. There would be nothing I would enjoy more than proving you or anyone else wrong.

No problem although I can operate either way since I’m very thick skinned and excel at giving back much better than I receive. :thumbsup:

 

Glad Hand:

I don't have time to check your "facts," and I'm not here to debate the Muslim existence. The simple answer to your main group of questions is... no. Assuming your statements are true and correct, or even that you THINK they are, the nature of your statement is not IMHO considered to be "racist."

 

Hobo is correct and I agree with him.

Gladhand’s statements might not be politically correct and may even be considered narrow-minded, but they are not racist.

People are entitled to opinions, even if we/you do not agree with them.

 

Fair enough.

 

Yes, I heard this claim made on Fox. However, the difference between you and me is that I don't blindly believe everything said on Fox.

 

I agree with your assessment, however, I fail to see how it could be considered narrow-minded as long as it is the truth, unless it is the dissemination of the truth that you consider to be narrow-minded, and in that case I do not agree. Moreover, it is not my fault if the truth is not pretty or politically correct, as the truth is the truth.

 

Claim? It’s not a claim. I remember the incident very well. A convert to Islam was staged with the troops in Kuwait just days before the initial invasion. Very conflicted with maybe having to kill fellow Muslims in the ensuing invasion he did what most devout Muslims in that situation would do, he attacked the non-Muslim kafirs in his midst, and in his case he waited until 14 of his superiors were convened in a tent for a planning session, he lifted to bottom of the tent up, and rolled a live grenade into the tent which then detonated killing and maiming many of those attending that meeting. That Muslim was subsequently convicted of his crime.

By the way, it was also reported not only by Fox News, but also by every new organization in the USA.

 

Pay attention to the parts I highlight when responding to posts. I was addressing Ironeagle's "claim" that ONLY Fox had brought up the event you are talking about. O'Reilly and Hannity LOVE to claim that they are the only ones covering certain angles of stories, but they lie. CNN has mentioned the earlier case as well. They just aren't centering their coverage of this incident around it's relationship to past events.

Ironeagle was repeating almost verbatim the "talking points" made by Fox personalities in their effort to sound more important and patriotic than the so-called MSM.

Hope that clears the air for us.