a represented democracy is what a lot of the countries in the "Americas" sorely need and do not have. Collectively gathering to rid the Americas of a lot of tinhorn dictators seems to be the goal. Now, just for fun, go ask the man on the street what type of government we live under... chances are "representative republic" will never cross his lips. To say that the who plan to improve the living conditions and the worth of the humans in this whole hemisphere like it's some strange plot to take over this country is borderline nuts.

To say that the poor, mislead governments are not already bleeding this and other countries dry is another thing that some of you conspiracy wonks seem to leave out of the discussion. Nothing will improve if these people do not have a real chance to live and be democratically represented... republic or not. This isn't about YOU this is about them and trying to improve things for our fellow humans so just possibly they CAN go home and or not have to run here to simply survive. What are these people supposed to do? if the shoe were on the other foot, it would also be filled with water and mud from the Rio Grande... I'd bet huge peso's on it!

 

Most Americans are still not aware of what is happening. I would like separation from the United Nations not have my Representative Government making laws for our Citizens regarding Our Country through the OAS (a branch of United Nations) and the Summit of the Americas.
From the American Ambassador of the Bahamas five years later.

http://nassau.usembassy.gov/sp_11092006.html

Op-Ed
9/11 and the OAS The Democratic Charter

by Ambassador John D. Rood

September 11, 2006

Had it not been for the terrorist attacks in the United States, the headlines on September 12, 2001 might have read: "Inter-American Democratic Charter Signed -- New Day for Democracy in the Hemisphere." The people of the Western Hemisphere would have focused on what happened the day before in Lima, Peru instead of New York City, Washington, DC, and rural Pennsylvania.

Of course, the headlines were very different. For while foreign ministers from the member countries of the Organization of American States were gathered in Lima, Peru to sign the Inter-American Democratic Charter, 19 terrorists were carrying out their murderous plot in the United States, resulting in the deaths of nearly 3,000 innocent persons, including citizens of 32 OAS states. As then Assistant Secretary of State Roger Noriega later observed, it was "poetic justice that within moments of those horrific attacks, the nations of the Americas vowed to preserve and defend our common values by approving the Inter-American Democratic Charter."

The Charter signed that September morning five years ago represented the fulfillment of the original promise of the 1948 OAS Charter whose preamble states: "representative democracy is an indispensable condition for the stability, peace and development of the region." It took many decades for that spirit to be honored. But as democracies replaced dictatorships and people flocked to the polls in country after country, our hemisphere became the most democratic region in the world.


Goin Fer It's Wife

 

Are you for Consolidation of our Democracies? Do you think that the Consolidated Democracies should be under the United Nations?


Goin Fer It's Wife

 

consolidation of "democracies"? who would be against that? If all the countries are democratic regardless of representative republic or representative democracy would not mean that they are not both democracies on their own. They also do not have to be representative republics to be considered democracies. You are really getting hung up on the words here like one has to take over the other for either to exist. To say that creating a whole hemisphere of democracies is a bad thing is again, borderline nuts. Ridding the hemisphere of the problem governments and creating a hemisphere of nothing but democracies would solve a LOT of problems.

You can say that democracies are consolidated more than a dictatorship can be. Dictatorships are all over the Americas. Does it make sense that dictatorships can not consolidate with ANYTHING? We have "consolidated" with many democracies all over the globe... why is this different? What are we giving up by helping other countries create their own democracies and working with them??

 

So are you happy or upset about 9/11? sounds like you'd be pretty glad that 3000+ people died so that you could claim that the country was saved from becoming a "democracy"??? Official sounding people make statements all the time. A lot of it is to tell their own people that they are doing something. If we started quoting all the statements made by our own politicians after one of thousands of their little junkets all over the planet, it would be just tedious as many of these quotes of your are becoming. There is no proof or smoking gun in any of your statements that say that we are tossing out the constitution and becoming Northern Mexico. If you and your type of person keep up the efforts to keep things the same, the same things will happen and nothing will change but the even more rapid influx of illegals to this country. People in this country do not have the first clue what poor is...

 

sounds like you'd be pretty glad that 3000+ people died so that you could claim that the country was saved from becoming a "democracy"???

non sequitr ad hom

Guess I'll have to read the whole thread. Why would someone complain of a country becoming a democracy? Not that a democracy is always the best thing.

 

Granted I feel that they need it also. It is up to the people of those countries to take charge of those dictators and to change their corrupt governments.

Brazilian citizens did not seem happy yesterday, and they did stand up. They do not like idea of the corporate big wigs making money off of them.
They know more about what is happening than Americans do. All I can say is Welcome to the new Democracy!

I agree it is the dumbing down of America. When people could answer that question the things that are occurring now would have never been attempted.


So we need to Consolidate with other govenments and solve the world problems sounds like a UN plan to me!

The United States Is Launching A New Effort To Help Build A Market For Affordable Housing. Through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), the U.S. has provided more than $100 million to help underwrite mortgages to working families in Mexico, Brazil, Chile, and the countries of Central America. The U.S. will now provide an additional $385 million to expand these programs and help put the dream of home ownership within reach of thousands more people.


That is very humane of President Bush to give to Mexico, Brazil, Chille the taxpayers hard earned money to help them buy homes. I am certain allot of our fellow countrymen would like the same opportunity to buy a home. I know many who are struggling and would love this in our own country.

You are right but before the Summit of The Americans and we were just trickling blood and now we are gushing it out. Reading how much more money we are pouring out and having an understanding of how much we are going to put on the future generations to pay is not right.

And this is about ME and My children and MY Country and my fellow Countrymen. First we need to improve things in Our Country. We need to budget Our spending. They need to work on resolving problems in their country and change their leadership and get rid of the corruption in their country. They have allot of oil and other resources that they should put into their own economy not expect the taxpayers of America to work harder so we can give them more.


So Fozzy you seem to know quite a bit about things that are going on I would like to hear what your thoughts on the SPP are. I am going to post later about it.

GFIW

 

Yes you are correct about having both. The European Union is the perfect example of that.

I have not heard that allot of the European Union countries have solved allot of their problems. As a matter a fact Alan Franklin once a reporter there had quite a bit different to say about it a few years back, when I heard him speak at a conference.
He was attempting to warn America that it is coming here but some who believe that setting up rules and laws that take care of domestic problems would welcome it.

Also in the Charter of OAS equitable distribution. I do not mind if you want to distribute your money or give it all away but I do not think that you should decide for the American Taxpayers that other people should get their hard earned money.

Goin Fer It

 

This has been debated over and over. And I can tell you this. It's been going on with one thing or another, so it was just a matter of time before it got into the trucking industry. However, it may not be so bad.

I talk to a illegal....( just go to just about any corner where they hang out looking for a job.) He spoke a little English, but not much. He told me about the jobs he had, and they are pretty organized. Did you know that those guys on the corner are part of what we call a union? It's true. They have rates for each job they do, and you better not work for less. If the rate is $8.00 per hour (the lowest anyone is allowed to work for), you better not work for less. If you do, and they find out, they will beat the holy $hit out of you. And people who refuse to pay...well, they pay.

So maybe the "Mexican National" coming into America driving force might be the thing we need.....

They may start out cheap, but they won't stay there. And if you were a driver from Mexico, why would you go back? hehehe

I see this blowing up into their faces(the people allowing this), and a big demand, with much higher pay, for American truck drivers.

Welcome, My Mexican truck driving brothers.

 

OAS also Organzation of the American States
You will see the OAS throughout much of the process that is going on in the Summit of The Americas and other areas.

The OAS at a Glance


The Organization of American States (OAS) brings together the nations of the Western Hemisphere to strengthen cooperation on democratic values, defend common interests and debate the major issues facing the region and the world. The OAS is the region’s principal multilateral forum for strengthening democracy, promoting human rights, and confronting shared problems such as poverty, terrorism, illegal drugs and corruption. It plays a leading role in carrying out mandates established by the hemisphere’s leaders through the Summits of the Americas.

With four official languages — English, Spanish, Portuguese and French — the OAS reflects the rich diversity of the hemisphere’s peoples and cultures. It is made up of 35 member states: the independent nations of North, Central and South America and the Caribbean. The government of Cuba, a member state, has been suspended from participation since 1962; thus only 34 countries participate actively. Nations from other parts of the world participate as permanent observers, which allows them to closely follow the issues that are critical to the Americas.

The member countries set major policies and goals through the General Assembly, which gathers the hemisphere’s ministers of foreign affairs once a year in regular session. Ongoing actions are guided by the Permanent Council, made up of ambassadors appointed by the member states.

The OAS General Secretariat carries out the programs and policies set by the political bodies. Secretary General José Miguel Insulza, who took office in May 2005, restructured the General Secretariat so the priorities of the member states could be addressed more effectively. Four specialized secretariats coordinate OAS efforts in several broad areas:

• Secretariat for Multidimensional Security – Coordinates OAS actions against terrorism, illegal drugs and other threats to public security.
• Secretariat for Political Affairs– Directs efforts to promote democracy, strengthen democratic governance and prevent democratic crises.
• Executive Secretariat for Integral Development – Includes departments that promote social development, sustainable development, trade and tourism, and education, culture, science and technology. Also handles follow-up to the region’s ministerial meetings.
• Secretariat for Administration and Finance – Provides support services to the General Secretariat, in areas that include human resources, information and technology, and budgetary affairs.
• Department of International Legal Affairs – Promotes legal cooperation among the member states by helping to develop and implement international treaties.

Other offices and agencies – such as the inter-American human rights bodies and the Summits of the Americas Department – report directly to the OAS Secretary General. The Assistant Secretary General also oversees various administrative areas and specialized units, including the secretariats of the Inter-American Commission of Women, the Inter-American Children’s Institute, the Inter-American Committee on Ports and the Inter-American Telecommunication Commission.


Now it is my belief that the OAS is the puppet master.


As an institution, the OAS is uniquely situated to carry out this role. First, the organization brings together the countries in the Hemisphere. Second, because of the broad agenda covered by the work of the organization under the umbrella of the Summit of the Americas Plan of Action, the OAS provides a forum in which trade can be linked with other areas of vital concern and ongoing work, such as labor, the environment, security, etc. The OAS can provide a link to these parallel processes through its General Assembly and the Summit mandates.
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