I remember hearing about that same German fellow forcing a country to carry a national ID and all for the safety and good of the country.

Goin Fer It's Wife

 

Really Fozzy I want my government to follow the Constitution and also enforce laws already on the books instead of working with other governments and working agencies to usurp our Constitution and make new laws. If they were to enforce laws already on our books that would work.

Now maybe you like the idea of Hemispheric Integration but I really don't and I believe that those that made such great sacrifice's for this country. that their sacrifice should not be so short lived.

Goin Fer It's Wife

 

I have had some concerns about the direction of this country for a number of years. We see this government attempting for force more and more controls over our citizens while seemingly to open the borders to any number of illegals who care to walk across the border. There are times when I wonder in who's national interest are these elected officials working. At least it seems that it isn't in the national interest of the U.S. to turn much of our infrastructure over to foreign interests. We see camera's going up all over the country. I am not sure that it is just for traffic control. It seems like a major expense if that is the only purpose. Camera's have been around the Washington DC beltway for some time. Atlanta has hundreds around the city and on the interstates. I have seen other areas where camera's are plainly visible. This government has no need to track it's citizenry as closely as it seems that they want to do. Whether you believe what Goin Fer It says or not, this government seems to be out of control. They seem to want more control of us, as American citizens, and ignore the invaders from the Southern Hemisphere. They seem to be using terrorism and 9/11 as an excuse to force more controls over our citizens. Until Americans rise up enmasse, I don't see much changing. The average American citizen seems to oblivious to what is going on. There are so many who simply don't want to get involved. The one thing that bothers me most is the apathy of the average citizen. I think it would be better to disagree than be apathetic.

 

GMAN,

Your paragraph above, and especially what is highlighted, is a large part of what Goin Fer It is trying to impress upon others with the posts made. As long as the government continues to appease the average American with tax cuts, low cost of products, etc., the apathy will continue. The average American will do nothing until they are directly, and significantly, affected by the governments questionable activities. As Goin Fer It, and others, have pointed out by then it is to late.

 

Is this Frank Burns???

 

I'm not taking one side or another in this debate other than to make sure people keep it civil.

But oh my gosh! :shock: Being a M*A*S*H nut, I could totally picture that. Truly a Coke on the keyboard comment. :lol:

Again, not meant as an indication of my own feelings on the subject, but anyone that is a M*A*S*H fan has to be able to see that one.

Carry on everyone and thanks for keeping it fairly civil.

 

I have been doing much reading of documents and going on many web-sites.

I am going to attempt to post some information in an order that may make some sense. I will do it in sections because there is SO Much information out there. I will respond to comments after I finish posting all of the information I would like to put out.

The Summit of The Americas
Inter-American Democratic Charter
Who is The OAS
SSP
NASCO

Goin Fer It's Wife

 

http://www.summit-americas.org/FAQ_eng.htm#1

What are the Summits of the Americas?

The Summits of the Americas are periodic meetings that bring together the thirty-four democratically elected Heads of State and Government of the Americas to discuss and make decisions on issues of relevance for the region.

What is the main objective of the Summits of the Americas Process?

To analyze and discuss the problems and challenges that the Americas face in order to jointly seek solutions and improve the quality of life of the citizens of the Americas. The Summits of the Americas Process is a “commitment to hemispheric integration and national and collective responsibility for improving the economic well-being and security of our people” (Quebec City Declaration).

How are decisions made at the Summits of the Americas?

The decisions made at the Summits of the Americas are reached through consensus by the Summit Implementation Review Group (SIRG).

What is the Summit Implementation Review Group (SIRG)?

The governments of the 34 OAS Member States, represented by the National Summit Coordinators, comprise the Summit Implementation Review Group (SIRG). The SIRG is the political body responsible for following-up on Summit mandates, coordinating the Summit agenda, and preparing for future Summits. The SIRG meets on average three times a year; one of these meetings is at the ministerial level, in the framework of the OAS General Assembly.


I do not want decisions that will impact the future of my children reached through a consensus of 34 OAS Member States. Unfortunately this is were the decisions come from and not from our elected officials. All of our govenment agiences are involved with implementing the mandates. So far we have had FTAA, Education, Transportaion and health issues all being implemented by our government that have stemed from the Summits.


When we Integrate Policies and decisions with other Countries that affect our every day lives are we still a country for the people and by the people. As our futures are placed under treaties, the OAS, and decisions made by working groups put in to place by The Summit of The America mandates that impact every aspect of our social, health, economic, security, and every other aspect of our lives one may ask are we still an Independent Nation or are we just a Member State in the Hemisphere that must adhere to the mandates laid down for us. Everytime I see the words Integrate or Consolidate when it refers to our internal matters I cringe, and it is thoughout The Summits.

Two Examples

Infrastructure and Regulatory Environment
Recognizing that the development of physical infrastructure is an important complement to economic integration; that advances in the area of infrastructure will release new driving forces toward a broad and deep integration, setting in motion dynamics that should be encouraged; and that infrastructure projects geared to integration should be complemented by the adoption of regulatory and administrative regimes that facilitate their implementation:



http://www.summit-americas.org/Quebe...ucture-eng.htm


q Keeping in mind this objective and the dynamics of progress on transportation issues in each of the five regions considered in the Western Hemisphere, the WHTI action plan for integration of transportation systems should permit:

 

I think you are simply reacting to something too large (and probably decent) for you to wrap your brain around. Just what is the world is wrong with the "Americas" gathering together as a collective and trying to solve the problems of the "Americas"? If by some strange chance, they could make some inroads in solving some of the problems as a colelctive, the draw for these people of the "Americas" (such as not sitting there in their countries waiting for their families stave to death) to illegally immigrate into this country. Maybe you should be applauding and supporting this instead of painting it as something automatically sinister and riding away in the black helicopters.. :roll:

 

Our Country signed a Charter on September 11, 2001. First of all I would like to state that we were founded as a Republic not a Democracy. According to my Bill of Rights my rights are God given not government given. And some of the Articles give us rights that we may believe are reasonable, that is if we did not already have our own Bill of Rights.

This Charter also originated from The Summit of the Americas.
Consolidation to me means to put together become one.

INTER-AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC CHARTER

(Adopted by the General Assembly at its special session

held in Lima, Peru, on September 11, 2001)

Introduction to our Charter

CONSIDERING that the Charter of the Organization of American States recognizes that representative democracy is indispensable for the stability, peace, and development of the region, and that one of the purposes of the OAS is to promote and consolidate representative democracy, with due respect for the principle of nonintervention;

Article 13

The promotion and observance of economic, social, and cultural rights are inherently linked to integral development, equitable economic growth, and to the consolidation of democracy in the states of the Hemisphere.


Here is the link for our Charter that we signed. Consolidation is term used throughout.

http://www.cidh.org/Basicos/democratic.htm

More of this on my next post.

Goin Fer It's Wife