God is an Outlaw (for Slimland)
#21
10-02-2006, 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by shyykatt
sorry.
Fozzy raises some interesting points, although USUALLY in the wrong thread. I agree with MUCH he says, I just wish he would ALSO respect the topic of THIS thread. Thanks again, Shyykatt! Why do you have TWO "y's" in your name?
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#22
10-02-2006, 11:01 AM
Originally Posted by Slimland
Hmm... this may or may NOT work. (see below) I didn't mean not to quote the scripture reference - book & chapter, I meant don't give me a block of 15 verses from 3 places in the Bible at once (as an answer to my points.) Paraphrasing DOES give me a perspective on how YOU interpret the scripture though. But, I DO want to know exactly what scripture you reference when doing so. Does that make sense?
See... I don't want to read ALL of Galations looking for this scripture JUST to see whether the part you put in RED is actually THERE or not. Let me clarify: THIS is a short one or two line scripture. Go ahead and quote it AND give the citation (book, chapter & verse.) Then I will go back and read it myself to see the context.
If, however, a concept or point you are making is, say.... found in an entire chapter, then just tell me the book and chapter and NOT use up two pages on this forum quoting the whole thing. Does THAT make sense? I didn't even realize that I had not given the verse number or chapter, sorry you had to read all that. :lol: 8)
In MY humble opinion and interpretation of this verse [last time I will precede my comments with that... but it will always apply]:
Ditto
What is being said here is that God sent his son, Jesus, to be born as the son of MAN so that HE (Jesus) would be subject to the Laws of MAN so that he would be an example to those he witnessed to, those that ARE under the law, of how to live one's life for GOD while yet subject to the laws of the "tribe" so to speak.
Peter himself had witness this in acts, but as we all Know, the old man is hard to get rid of, and he "peter" was found to be a hypocrit--because he proclaimed the new, and still tried to follow the old. This is why legalism--is called Galationism. This book goes hand in hand with Romans, Hebrews, Corinthians, and Ephisians And I am sure in the futur of this discussion, these books will be discussed. Galatians 3:19-25 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
He could have sent him to Earth on a winged horse and Jesus could have walked among us as a GOD. He didn't want this. He wanted his son to be born "under the law" by being born of a woman.
The first prophecy of the Christ talks of this. Genesis 3:13-15 13 And the LORD God said to the woman, ?What is this you have done?? The woman said, ?The serpent deceived me, and I ate.? 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent: ? Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.?
We often talk of the Trinity as though they are all one in the same, and "in spirit" they may be. But, I believe God is a separate entity from his SON at the time of Jesus' birth. Otherwise, how could he have SENT us his son out of his love for us, and why would Jesus - on the cross - cry out to his father for a reprieve from his will?
This is why Jesus said He and the Father are one. As for the Holy Spirit--God is Spirit. Jesus Cried out because He bore the sins of the whole world, and therfor was seperated from God. I am sorry, but I can not fathom you not understanding this. God creats a Law, This Law is His Word, and this Word when man hears it-- It flows through him-killing him. Becuase of the unrighteousness of man. So The Word dies to itself, to creat a New Law, to wich man can live by. Huuugghhh "bangs head on computer"
So.... he sent his SON to be born "under the law" but this in NO way indicates that God himself has subjugated himself to Man's Law. (Jesus might have to "render unto Caesar... but I can't see GOD doing such.) And that is still different from being under his OWN law.
And Jesus being God, is subject to Himself! Where are you getting mans law from?
I believe the point is that Jesus was born a Jew and as a child, not yet aware of his calling, was circumcised "Under the Law." Paul is explaining to his Church that this has NO bearing on whether or not one is "justified" by God.
Since God wanted reconciliation (for whatever reason) with mankind, He upheld the law He gave to man but He was in no way required to do so in order to continue to exist. God existed without mankind in the past and could have existed without mankind in the future.
Paul tells us it is impossible for God to lie! Quoted to get us back on topic, and to jump over unnecessary chatter.
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#24
10-05-2006, 01:59 PM
Links---
Here's a few of them-- I am waiting for a response on some others-- so I don't have to spend all night looking for them. Slimland http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...840&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...681&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...361&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...294&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...736&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...731&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...681&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...479&highlight= http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/...364&highlight= Well I think that is all of them, and it didn't take me all night! Slimland
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#25
10-05-2006, 03:04 PM
Just wanted to let ya know.....
I have gone back and read some of the things ya'll have been discussing in other threads- I had no idea it was there; I just want to say that I feel bad for interrupting; since I did not read everything else, I was assuming this wasn't a very in-depth, seriouse conversation- I was totally wrong. I apologize. It is good to see there are those of you that carry such strong convictions and faith- if only there were more people like you in this world!
#26
10-05-2006, 04:15 PM
Originally Posted by shyykatt
It is good to see there are those of you that carry such strong convictions and faith- if only there were more people like you in this world!
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#27
10-06-2006, 04:52 AM
Originally Posted by Fozzy
Originally Posted by shyykatt
It is good to see there are those of you that carry such strong convictions and faith- if only there were more people like you in this world!
If you read my last few posts on the Big Bang thread, you would see that I discussed the possibility that God was a figment of our lack of knowledge. But, for THIS thread, I am assuming he is real. Perhaps, you could do the same, and JOIN in the discussion. Otherwise, I suggest you are only fitting the description of a TROLL. If you HAVE, or would like to START a thead discussing how God came to be - or not be. I might be glad to join in. However, unlike you, I will TRY to stay on topic there.
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#28
10-06-2006, 09:08 AM
This is a discussion board...not a personal chatroom. The gneral topic is on the table and there are comments that can be discussed within the topic. A poster brought into the discussion a point that adds to the interest of the topic. I didn't slam anyone or use vulgarity and the topic is still being discussed. The only way to have a two way private discussion is through email, personal messages or IM. This even falls into the topic that you two are discussing.
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#29
10-06-2006, 09:33 AM
Okay, Fozzy... whatever you say. I read your posts and couldn't see how they were "on topic." But, maybe that is MY failing. MANY of Slimland's topics could have been between two people in an email setting, but they weren't. So, I felt this was a forum on which we could have ONE thread concerning this question of subjugation to the Law.
I don't see how your general disdain for anyone who 'believes' is germain, but go ahead, if you want. If I don't see the relativity, I don't have to respond. For the record, as I've said before, I agree with much you say about how religion has caused problems in the world. But... that is a topic for another thread. Or, you could just PM everyone with your beliefs.
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