Kat and Slimland ... the 2 of you have helped alot here. I have to stop crying in order to write this, it touches my heart that You understand where I'm coming from.... Thank You for your kind words and support. Wildkat ~ Your a good person in my books ... please continue Lady Driver :wink:

I don't try to step on anyones toes just to see them squirm, or try to rattle anyones cage :wink: for the fun of it. .... Some people are better expressing themselves than I am ... and I don't care at this point in my life to have to clearify what I've said or didn't say. ... I care deeply for people in general and want to continue being myself....

 

 

Being yourself is all you have to do! I think of an interenet forum like a playground and there's always some bully trying to ruin other peoples fun. They're just miserable people who get their jollies by trying to get a rise out of people. They just want attention and have nothing positive to offer. Don't let them get to you. It's best to just ignore them and be true to yourself. And you express yourself just fine!

 

Are you speaking of anyone in particular?

 

Nope, just in general. :wink: None of us play nice ALL the time!

 

Guilty conscience Rev?

:shock: :shock: :shock:

 

I have no conscience. You should know that by now. :wink:

 

Roses said: (quoting me)

Roses.... I APOLOGIZE! I'm sure I should have known, but didn't remember, that you didn't have the NORMAL view of your parents. MY MOTHER was likewise abused (by her mother) and I KNOW all the horror stories. But, somehow.... I tend to forget about them when GENERALIZING what "women" (in general) might want in a man. Had I been specifically addressing my comments to YOU.... and not the entire thread audience.... I might have said.....

"I'm not sure, I COULD be wrong, but I think you want acceptance (like you DIDN'T GET from your father) and UNDERSTANDING (like you DIDN'T GET from your Mother) and you want a companion who will treat you like an EQUAL.... "

But, you see.... regardless of what YOU got, my point was about what you want! And I mean YOU and ALL women! But, again.... I apologize if I stirred up old wounds. That was NOT my intention!

You're right.... that was NOT the topic. It was NEVER "about" you! You were just ONE of many giving their opinions. I respond ONLY to opinions... and NOT to the PERSON. If by doing so, I FORGET the personal involvement or feelings of the one who posted them, and this causes you any pain..... I APOLOGIZE. This is (in part) a discussion about the HONESTY of MALES. YOUR input is a valuable as ANYONE'S.... but it becomes part of the whole discussion, and therefore is treated ( by ME anyway ) as a THEORETICAL viewpoint with which I either AGREE or DEBATE. You didn't think I would let this thread go as just a "man bashing" thread, did you? :roll: :wink:

I am SORRY for the way you were treated (by BOTH sexes.) But, I am not responsible. It occurs to me that YOU, more than some, might have something to learn from the honest discussions and opinions of myself and other males here. But, learning can sometimes be painful. Especially, when experiences are RAW.

I, for one, would have appreciated it MORE had you just pointed out that not ALL women come from the SAME "pollyanic" mold I alluded to, and ASKED me what I felt about THAT.... rather than throw a tantrum because "I" as a MAN didn't UNDERSTAND everything about where you were coming from. That is OFTEN the problem in relationships! Men are men.... and women are COMPLEX! :lol:

As a point of interest, there are MEN out there who have been both sexually and physically abused by their parents, TOO! But.... for years, no one really cared! And, unfortunately..... given the sexual component, there are many MORE women who have been! Life SUX!!

But this is NOT your parents' generation! Men of TODAY are more aware! Surely, there are still way too many who don't KNOW... or don't CARE.... but, the majority of us DO! So, I ask again....

And, I'll rephrase this...

I'm not sure, I COULD be wrong, but I think [most women] want acceptance (like THEY got from THEIR father) and UNDERSTANDING (like THEY got from THEIR Mother) and THEY want a companion who will treat THEM like an EQUAL.... but CHERISH THEM like THEY were SPECIAL! Like a Diamond amongst the rarest of gems, and a ROSE amongst a field of Wildflowers!

 

We all have our 'buttons' that get pushed sometimes. When it happens in a venue like this, it takes us by surprise. This is supposed to be 'anonymous' after all, so when something hits us in one of our weak spots, it can feel like that anononimity has been stripped and we take it personally.

There are a number of topics on here lately that have been taken far too personally. I guess there is such a thing as "too honest".

 

The Rev said:

And, it appears, that many of YOU (women) misunderstood him. Like Kat... at the risk of defending the REV again.... he is NOT being insensitive or a bully!

For4Roses sees men (apparently) through HER "rose colored glasses." And ALL of us see others through the LENS of our "experiences."

The Rev is only pointing this out. I KNOW things are a bit "slow" on the other forums right now, but I've NEVER known the Rev to come to this forum JUST to stir up trouble. He is a man of VERY few words.... mostly confrontational.... but ALWAYS designed to make one THINK! He won't like me saying this but..... he does have a 'soft' side! He showed it in his HONEST response to the question of this thread. In fact.... I believe that the vast majority of the men who post throughout this website are intelligent and compassionate men! And by shear statistics, this cannot be an anomaly!

The obvious inference is, that there are Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of REAL "honest" men out there! If you haven't FOUND one yet... perhaps you (women in general) need to get new GLASSES! :roll: :lol:

Now..... if I could JUST find an "HONEST" woman out there somewhere!?? :wink: