Thankyou for not hanging me.. As for honesty, I do try! :wink:

We wouldn't hang you Slim.

But you have to admit that SOME men play games as well...just different kinds. :wink:

Yes we do, but ours is more obvious.. :lol:
You women hide it better, or have ESP. We come by it naturaly, it is in our Jeans. ops: :lol:

I am going to step out of this one-- I don't want to mess up anyones fun, and if I was to stay, I would only hang myself.. Unfortunatly, this is one of my weaknesses..

Slimland

That was funny!

Roses said:

Now, don't go getting your nose out of joint, Roses!! WE KNEW you were "generalizing!" And it was not YOU.... but the "generalization" that we were reacting to! :wink:

That is often the problem between the sexes..... the "generalizations." We were simply trying to point out that such generalizations often stand in the way of REAL discussion between the sexes, and LEAD to the games we BOTH play!

Your post.....

LUMPED ALL MEN into the category of the putzes you've met who are ALL ABOUT "conquest," and we tried to explain that we are NOT!

This is a thread about HONESTY..... and I don't see how "generalizations" have a place here. It was somehwat funny, but moreso REVEALiNG!

What you said, said MORE about how YOU (or women in general) view men, than it did about how we ACTUALLY ARE! [But, we KNOW you don't ALL feel that way!]

Personally, I took it in the humorous manner in which you meant it! I thought you took my response the same way! "I" didn't say it was "condescending." But, the REV accurately pointed out that it WOULD be considered that way IF it was TRUTHFULLY intended.

The BEST way to find an honest MALE, is to BE an honest female! You complained that WE "assumed" how YOU "think," while telling us how WE think! :shock:

I would surmise that, over the years, women have spent MORE time "guessing" about what Men think, than Men have spent even CARING what women think! I am NOT one of those men!

MANY of us have TRIED! But MOST of us are not equipped with the necessary "turbo translator." We are TAUGHT to "trust" what a woman says, and act accordingly. If you don't LIKE the rules.... look at who MADE them! :wink:

The "dishonest" men out there have given up on understanding you, and have reverted to pursuing what THEY want! The HONEST MALE, is still trying!

The PERFECT MALE (and I may be the only one) has "mastered" the art, and is not intimidated by "generalizations" ..... nor threatened by pictures of Cowboys with sixpack Abs! :lol:

Let me ask YOU to be honest for a moment. What do YOU want in a man? Honesty? Maybe.... but, do you REALLY want him to tell you how you look in that dress? Perfection? You will ONLY feel unworthy and jealous of every other woman he meets!

I'm not sure, I COULD be wrong, but I think you want acceptance (like you got from your father) and UNDERSTANDING (like you got from your Mother) and you want a companion who will treat you like an EQUAL.... but CHERISH you like you were SPECIAL! Like a Diamond amongst the rarest of gems, and a ROSE amongst a field of Wildflowers!

Men like that are OUT HERE.... you mustn't give up! But, has it EVER occurred to your "socially" controlled, pollyanic deluded mind, that we were raised with all the sensitivity of a SAGEBRUSH???? And, have to be taken as we are?? And appreciated for our Independence.... and our "rugged" beauty?? :wink:

You can grow a ROSE next to a sagebrush, and it will protect her from the wind. But, you cannot make a rose OUT OF A sagebrush.... the World is NOT a garden!

Aw.....what do "I" know?? I just drive a truck! :roll:

hobo:
You couldn't be farther from the truth --- I was physically beaten until 6 months before I got married, I could never talk,walk,sing, or anything good enough for my mother .... my childhood was like the ones everyone hides from the public ... and worse - but I dont' intend to air anything else to the world. I was taught what goes on behind the family doors stay there. and Yes - sadly it does affect us in our adult life .... So if I appear to get defensive to You, Rev, and Slimland .. sorry dudes ... this girl doesnt intend to be torn apart anymore ... This chick isn't playing the game anymore :roll: .... :wink:

I didn't know the topic was - lets find out how Roses might think and then tear it apart. :shock: ..... it doesn't take this lady long to realize that I should keep my opinions to myself. I'll go play in someone elses yard for a while. :wink:

OK...gonna jump in here again...at the risk of being jumped on for defending hobo ...again... :lol: :lol:

Roses... I don't think hobo was trying to jump on you... or make light of your comments or opinions... my "reading" on his comment was to get your opinions and "try" to get you to understand that "all" men are not like the ones you have experienced... I "may" be wrong, but that was my take.

Roses...I too, like you, have had horrid experiences with men, had awful attitudes about what men were all about, thought they were all the same. But learned, from meeting a "few" really good ones, that they are definitely NOT all the same. Even my husband, whom I love dearly, there are days when I could wrap my hands around his neck & smile while my hands squeeze the you know what out of him... I STILL realize he's not all bad! I think all men will nearly drive women insane at times and vise versa...it's just in our make-up to be different, and it is those differences in thought & action that draw us as a species together & drive us apart.

I completely understand your hesitation in saying anymore on what you "really" think, for one misunderstandings can run high in a written forum, & you always get some joker, male OR female that's going to deliberately distort what you say, often just to see if they can get a rise out of you. BUT, I don't think that it should stop you from voicing your true opinions.

Please understand that I am NOT taking sides on this issue one way or another, but I DO think that in the interest of honesty, which was what this thread was about, I think we need not be so concerned about the serious posted replies & simply IGNORE the jokers, but continue to post honest thoughts & try not to be offended when someone honestly tries to clarify their opinions or tickle more detailed information out of you.

I see you as an extremely sensitive honest woman who has been hurt in ways that only one who has been there can truly understand, so believe me when I say I AM in your corner, & your opinions are not only valued but wanted & desired!

Which brings me back to my point that if that is how you believe everyone is, then that is all you will see, regardless of what the truth is. The key is realizing that everyone isn't the same, and learning to move beyond those stereotypes caused by past trauma.

If you can't handle someone commenting on what you post, then perhaps an internet forum isn't the best place for you. :wink:

Though I have not been a big part of this discussion.. Roses you and I have had simular one.. I told you before and I will say it again.. You can say to me whatever you want it doesn't bother me. And if it does I will ask you directly befor making an assumption.. and remember a Friend Loves at all times. If there True!


And you Roses, Have Always been a real friend to me.. You have stood up for some request that I had made on another site, when you didn't have too.. And you have always been there to answer the call for prayer.
You my friend have a loving spirit, and it is a shame, but it is true.. Those who have a loving spirit often get taken advantage of in some way.
In my mind I have you set as a certain view. Though WE have faults our weaknesses are made perfect through eachothers striengths.

So speak away, and do not be ashamed, nor frightend at what others may mock or reply. For those of us who have had the pleasure to read your passion, have also been able to travel the Gypsie Roads with you in our minds..

Your Friend
Slimland