34 Hour Restart & DOT Regs
#61
03-16-2007, 10:24 AM
Thats fine; then ya'll can have a contest of which of us gals gets all bent out of shape first! :lol: :P (and the winner is......)
On 2nd thought, I suck @ arguing, and don't wanna intentionally make an azz of myself- I'll just let her keep going :lol:
#62
03-16-2007, 12:27 PM
Originally Posted by shyykatt
Thats fine; then ya'll can have a contest of which of us gals gets all bent out of shape first! :lol: :P (and the winner is......)
On 2nd thought, I suck @ arguing, and don't wanna intentionally make an azz of myself- I'll just let her keep going :lol: kc0iv
#63
03-16-2007, 12:38 PM
Re: 34 hour restart
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
I wonder how DOT would react to seeing "peeing" on the comment line if you flagged it, though. :lol:
#64
03-16-2007, 01:04 PM
Re: 34 hour restart
Originally Posted by kjax
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
I wonder how DOT would react to seeing "peeing" on the comment line if you flagged it, though. :lol:
#65
03-17-2007, 02:51 AM
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Originally Posted by Dawn
Yes. If you gain hours @ midnight you have them hours to drive.
Of course, you don't gain hours EVERY midnight.... just starting at the end of the 8th day on the road. But, I believe that was understood.
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#66
03-17-2007, 03:47 AM
Re: 34 hour restart
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Personally.... I would be MORE interested in the answers given by the 20 DOT officers than I would the "experiences" of the drivers who have never been questioned, however.....
True but, I'd still rather hear what THEY have to say about it.
BEFORE I was enlightened as to the guidance concerning logging a restart in a way that reflected your activities, I used to log all 34 straight in the sleeper. That was how I was shown to do it.
During my first, and only, roadside credentials inspection, the DOT officer noticed the way I logged my "restart," and asked me point blank, "Do you ALWAYS spend (or log) your entire restart in the sleeper?" Being a rookie, I said, "Well... yeah.... um.... that's the way I was told to do it." He didn't ticket me for it, NOR mention it on the inspection report. However.... I got the point of his question. I'm pretty sure HE didn't "believe" I spent the whole time in the sleeper! :lol: Why bother flaggin it? Just hang it out the window and water the parking lot. Then, you don't even have to show getting out of the truck! :wink:
The Rev mentioned that he had logged the same in the same way several times. However... he didn't mention whether those logsheets were inspected by a DOT officer.
I find nothing wrong with the information and advice that Dawn has given concerning this topic. She acurately quoted the "guidance" that says it should be logged in a way that reflects your actions. Now.... I'm not going to log line 1 EVERY time I get out of the truck! If I spend 34 hours at a truckstop, I will log the majority of daylight hours on line 1, and AT LEAST 8 hours during the night on line 2 using CONSECUTIVE time blocks.
I agree about the absolute answers [like "these are the facts." :wink: ] I have addressed that many times while discussing the HOS. However, it IS difficult to show EVERY exception, just as the REGS themselves do, without it getting rather confusing. And personally, there's no way "I" would spend all 34 hrs in the truck!
This bickering is getting OLD.
Gotta show up to make sure some of y'all don't give out the wrong info! :lol:
I was told that, in this case, it would be WISE to have a motel receipt. It has been well documented that, IF you end up in an accident that kills someone, (and I'm not a doomsayer type!) YOU will not be able to prove that you got ANY sleep, and a good lawyer may have you paying for the rest of your life.
I agree that it is not absolute proof.... nothing except 24 hr video surveillance WOULD be. But, my understanding is that it at least shows the INTENT to get sleep. As you say, even logging 34 in the sleeper doesn't PROVE you got any sleep. But, logging 34 on line 1, without providing a motel receipt, has been used to show that the driver MAY HAVE spent ALL his time out of the truck, in a T/S or bar or casino. (This only applies, of course, to being away from home or terminal.) When you are at home, and log a restart on line 1, there is no PROOF that you got any sleep, but the fact that you have a bedroom at home, shows INTENT.... just as a motel receipt would IF you logged all 34 on line 1 while away from home.
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#67
03-17-2007, 04:03 AM
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
The world would be a much better place as well, if all CMV operators only logged 8.75 hours per day. :wink:
And if you live on the East coast, and I'm bringing your veggies from Cali, your squash might get a little "squishy." :lol: Besides, that would require about a 1/3rd increase in the number of trucks on the roads. Naw.... I say the world would be better if ALL trucks were run as TEAMS. Fewer trucks on roads and truckstops. More freight delivered ON TIME. More drivers getting adequate HOMETIME. Less accidents from sleepy drivers (although this is part of what you meant.) Fewer divorces, less people leaving the industry..... I could go on. Just a thought. Not really advocating it. I love it when I get to go solo, too! As I am right now.
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#68
03-17-2007, 04:24 AM
KayCee said:
Several times when I was driving I would take my 34 hour reset at someone's house. Needless to say no receipt.
I'd have to go back and look at my logs to be sure but I think I always showed my resets as off-duty. I can't recall ever showing sleeper as part of a reset. I might have but I doubt it.
Just because a D.O.T. inspector doesn't believe your entry doesn't mean he/she can write a ticket that will hold up in court. He/she has to be able to prove the entry is false.
There is nothing that requires you to have any time shown while you are off duty for sleep. As just one of many examples. I could show I am off duty during my 34 hour reset and spend the full time gambling in Las Vegas. Get back in my truck after 34 hours and start driving (after the required pre-trip) and be fully legal. Maybe not wise but legal.
There's a lot more to operating a CMV "legally" than just how you log it.
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#69
03-17-2007, 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Originally Posted by Dawn
Yes. If you gain hours @ midnight you have them hours to drive.
Of course, you don't gain hours EVERY midnight.... just starting at the end of the 8th day on the road. But, I believe that was understood.
#70
03-17-2007, 03:36 PM
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Originally Posted by Dawn
Yes. If you gain hours @ midnight you have them hours to drive.
Of course, you don't gain hours EVERY midnight.... just starting at the end of the 8th day on the road. But, I believe that was understood. :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: Ummm.... could you cite the reg? I'm having a real hard time believing THIS one! Dawn.... clean up on aisle 5 AGAIN! :lol:
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