34 Hour Restart & DOT Regs
#51
03-15-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by allan5oh
Originally Posted by got mud?
Originally Posted by coastie
From what I been reading on here, it my understanding as long as you got hours coming back on you can still drive up to the max number of hours you have coming back on each day. Same as before they changed the rules.
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#52
03-15-2007, 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Originally Posted by Dawn
Originally Posted by coastie
From what I been reading on here, it my understanding as long as you got hours coming back on you can still drive up to the max number of hours you have coming back on each day. Same as before they changed the rules.
Have a great night  Your knowledge of H.O.S. Regulations is on the same level as my knowledge of how to perform cardiovascular surgery. :roll: Are you and Rev stating the drivers do not run off the hours they have available? Are you saying you have to take a 34 hour break if you are running low on hours? Because if I have 8 hours on the 1st of my last 7th day. I will gain 7 hours @ midnight and I can run 7 hours tomorrow! I do not have to take a 34 hour break!
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#53
03-16-2007, 02:24 AM
34 hour restart
Dawn said:
Hey why don't we get about 20 drivers to ask DOT if I log in 34 hours in the sleeper what would you say to me?
How about a more REALISTIC question, such as:
How many of you drivers log all your 34 hour reset on the sleeper berth line, and have never had DOT say a darn thing about it? How many have had DOT question it? BEFORE I was enlightened as to the guidance concerning logging a restart in a way that reflected your activities, I used to log all 34 straight in the sleeper. That was how I was shown to do it. During my first, and only, roadside credentials inspection, the DOT officer noticed the way I logged my "restart," and asked me point blank, "Do you ALWAYS spend (or log) your entire restart in the sleeper?" Being a rookie, I said, "Well... yeah.... um.... that's the way I was told to do it." He didn't ticket me for it, NOR mention it on the inspection report. However.... I got the point of his question. I'm pretty sure HE didn't "believe" I spent the whole time in the sleeper! The Rev mentioned that he had logged the same in the same way several times. However... he didn't mention whether those logsheets were inspected by a DOT officer. I find nothing wrong with the information and advice that Dawn has given concerning this topic. She acurately quoted the "guidance" that says it should be logged in a way that reflects your actions. Now.... I'm not going to log line 1 EVERY time I get out of the truck! If I spend 34 hours at a truckstop, I will log the majority of daylight hours on line 1, and AT LEAST 8 hours during the night on line 2 using CONSECUTIVE time blocks. This bickering is getting OLD.
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#54
03-16-2007, 02:34 AM
Originally Posted by coastie
From what I been reading on here, it my understanding as long as you got hours coming back on you can still drive up to the max number of hours you have coming back on each day. Same as before they changed the rules.
[If at the end of the day, you have 4 hours remaining on your 70, and you get a total of 13 hours "worked" back at midnight. You now have 17 hours on your 70, but can only drive 11 of them. I'm SURE you knew that.]
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#55
03-16-2007, 02:56 AM
Originally Posted by Malaki86
I've never been questioned by the DOT as to whether I actually spent the entire 34hrs sitting in the sleeper. They know we're going to get out of the truck, walk into the truckstop for meals/shower/restroom.
Yet, "I" have. That makes at least one in each column. I didn't receive any violation, and I doubt you would either. But, you never know when you're gonna get that "stickler" who finds a way to apply the "guidance" and might cite you for something. I've also logged a 34hr restart as off-duty, even though I was in the sleeper. Again, never had it become an issue. I was told that, in this case, it would be WISE to have a motel receipt. It has been well documented that, IF you end up in an accident that kills someone, (and I'm not a doomsayer type!) YOU will not be able to prove that you got ANY sleep, and a good lawyer may have you paying for the rest of your life. One last thing - For the life of me I still can't figure out how they came up with the 34hr restart. Why not 36, 40, or 48? It'd make more sense if it was in a 4hr increment. The new HOS are designed to "move" every driver (solo) towards a circadian rhythm of working the same hours and sleeping the same hours every day. (Not practical.... but it is their desire.) Assuming you start each day at 0800 hrs, and due to PTI's, fuel stops, lunch breaks, and rest stops, you actually complete your 11th hour of driving (or finish unloading) at the 14th hour of the day (10 p.m.) and then shut down for the required 10 hours..... you will start your day again at 0800 hours. To give you a "weekend" break (of sorts,) they add this LAST 10 hour shutdown (recuperative sleep) to a FULL 24 hour day off, so that once again.... you will be restarting your next "week" at 0800 hours. If they made it a 36 hour restart, theoretically every 4 weeks you would be starting your day at 2 p.m. and driving/working into the wee hours of the night. This throws off your circadian rhythm. They actually DID study, and received requests and reports on such things as 48 hour restarts (and many other figures.) Obviously.... a 48 hour restart would have you starting your next week at 10 p.m. and "working/driving" NIGHTS! There you have it.... the explanation of WHY they settled on a 34 hour restart! :lol: And this is NOT my opinion. It is paraphrased directly from the final rulings section of the HOS regs, and the Administrator's letter concerning the NEW rule changes.
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#56
03-16-2007, 06:41 AM
Re: 34 hour restart
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Personally.... I would be MORE interested in the answers given by the 20 DOT officers than I would the "experiences" of the drivers who have never been questioned, however.....
BEFORE I was enlightened as to the guidance concerning logging a restart in a way that reflected your activities, I used to log all 34 straight in the sleeper. That was how I was shown to do it.
During my first, and only, roadside credentials inspection, the DOT officer noticed the way I logged my "restart," and asked me point blank, "Do you ALWAYS spend (or log) your entire restart in the sleeper?" Being a rookie, I said, "Well... yeah.... um.... that's the way I was told to do it." He didn't ticket me for it, NOR mention it on the inspection report. However.... I got the point of his question. I'm pretty sure HE didn't "believe" I spent the whole time in the sleeper!
The Rev mentioned that he had logged the same in the same way several times. However... he didn't mention whether those logsheets were inspected by a DOT officer.
I find nothing wrong with the information and advice that Dawn has given concerning this topic. She acurately quoted the "guidance" that says it should be logged in a way that reflects your actions. Now.... I'm not going to log line 1 EVERY time I get out of the truck! If I spend 34 hours at a truckstop, I will log the majority of daylight hours on line 1, and AT LEAST 8 hours during the night on line 2 using CONSECUTIVE time blocks.
This bickering is getting OLD.
I was told that, in this case, it would be WISE to have a motel receipt. It has been well documented that, IF you end up in an accident that kills someone, (and I'm not a doomsayer type!) YOU will not be able to prove that you got ANY sleep, and a good lawyer may have you paying for the rest of your life.
#57
03-16-2007, 07:39 AM
Re: 34 hour restart
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Personally.... I would be MORE interested in the answers given by the 20 DOT officers than I would the "experiences" of the drivers who have never been questioned, however.....
BEFORE I was enlightened as to the guidance concerning logging a restart in a way that reflected your activities, I used to log all 34 straight in the sleeper. That was how I was shown to do it.
During my first, and only, roadside credentials inspection, the DOT officer noticed the way I logged my "restart," and asked me point blank, "Do you ALWAYS spend (or log) your entire restart in the sleeper?" Being a rookie, I said, "Well... yeah.... um.... that's the way I was told to do it." He didn't ticket me for it, NOR mention it on the inspection report. However.... I got the point of his question. I'm pretty sure HE didn't "believe" I spent the whole time in the sleeper!
The Rev mentioned that he had logged the same in the same way several times. However... he didn't mention whether those logsheets were inspected by a DOT officer.
I find nothing wrong with the information and advice that Dawn has given concerning this topic. She acurately quoted the "guidance" that says it should be logged in a way that reflects your actions. Now.... I'm not going to log line 1 EVERY time I get out of the truck! If I spend 34 hours at a truckstop, I will log the majority of daylight hours on line 1, and AT LEAST 8 hours during the night on line 2 using CONSECUTIVE time blocks.
This bickering is getting OLD.
I was told that, in this case, it would be WISE to have a motel receipt. It has been well documented that, IF you end up in an accident that kills someone, (and I'm not a doomsayer type!) YOU will not be able to prove that you got ANY sleep, and a good lawyer may have you paying for the rest of your life.
Several times when I was driving I would take my 34 hour reset at someone's house. Needless to say no receipt. I'd have to go back and look at my logs to be sure but I think I always showed my resets as off-duty. I can't recall ever showing sleeper as part of a reset. I might have but I doubt it. Just because a D.O.T. inspector doesn't believe your entry doesn't mean he/she can write a ticket that will hold up in court. He/she has to be able to prove the entry is false. There is nothing that requires you to have any time shown while you are off duty for sleep. As just one of many examples. I could show I am off duty during my 34 hour reset and spend the full time gambling is Las Vegas. Get back in my truck after 34 hours and start driving (after the required pre-trip) and be fully legal. Maybe not wise but legal. kc0iv
#58
03-16-2007, 08:42 AM
Re: 34 hour restart
Originally Posted by kc0iv
Several times when I was driving I would take my 34 hour reset at someone's house. Needless to say no receipt.
Just because a D.O.T. inspector doesn't believe your entry doesn't mean he/she can write a ticket that will hold up in court. He/she has to be able to prove the entry is false.
There is nothing that requires you to have any time shown while you are off duty for sleep. As just one of many examples. I could show I am off duty during my 34 hour reset and spend the full time gambling is Las Vegas. Get back in my truck after 34 hours and start driving (after the required pre-trip) and be fully legal.
Maybe not wise but legal.
#60
03-16-2007, 10:00 AM
Originally Posted by shyykatt
Gee, I'm in the wrong business; maybe I could be a log manager, I really don't know much, but if its ok w/you guyz, can I offer advice too? :P :lol:
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