Hours of Service
#31
02-15-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
ON DUTY (not driving), and ON DUTY (driving) are two completely different things.
Yes... they certainly ARE. One is on line 3 the other on line 4. And according to the REGS, the term "on duty hours" refers to both, combined. Everyone else in this thread other than you and Dawn were talking about ON DUTY (driving). Oh.... is that right? Then when you said that the "total ON Duty time" (assuming you were ONLY referring to line 3) on either side of a break, combined, cannot equal more than 14 hours..... you were again mistaken, right? Because, IF it applies to the COMBINED on duty times of both lines, it is incorrect. And, IF it applies ONLY to line 3 (Driving time) it is still incorrect. Yes, you CHANGED your hours in your second post, but which are we to believe? Since you are ALWAYS right, do we believe what you said in your first post? Or what you said in your second one? Perhaps, instead of taking 3 "edits" to correct a simple mistake in spelling (if one can believe that you did,) you should have spent ONE of those "edits" on correcting your first post. Which is what I've been trying to do. And everything I stated holds true to ON DUTY (driving), which is what we were all discussing before you stuck your nose in here. Then WHY would you say the following: "You must always add up the on duty time and driving time..." ???? Hmmmm...... that sounds like an instruction to ADD both lines together. But wait..... we weren't TALKING about anything but ONE LINE, right??? It's a shame that you are too thick-headed to understand this. :roll: And an EQUAL shame that you cannot admit when you are mistaken or have misspoken. :roll:
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#32
02-15-2007, 10:43 AM
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Maybe Golfhobo and Dawn could start their own log and safety consulting company. The could call it " Blind Leading the Blind Consulting Inc. "
But first Golfhobo needs to teach Dawn the ENGRISH language.
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#33
02-15-2007, 11:05 AM
It seems when everyone is explaining split breaking everyone is focused on lines 3 & 4! What about lines 1 & 2?
Here is a good example of split breaking over a 2 day period! If you think I am wrong on this please let me know and I will be glad to debate or help; whichever you choose!  Get your log sheet out and draw exactly this picture on your log grid Day 1: I am in the sleeper from 12:00 am to 2:00 am Line 4) 2:00 am to 2:15 am Line 3) 2:15 am to 7:15 am Line 4) 7:15 am to 7:45 am Line 2) 7:45 am to 10:15 am Line 4) 10:15 am to 10:30 am Line 3) 10:30 am to 2:30 pm Line 1) 2:30 pm to 3:00 pm Line 3) 3:00 pm to 4:00 pm Line 4) 4:00 pm to 4:45 pm Line 2) 4:45 pm to 12:00 midnight Day 2 Line 2) 12:00 am to 12:15 am Line 4) 12:15 am to 12:30 am Line 3) 12:30 am to 3:30 am Line 1) 3:30 am to 4:00 am Line 3) 4:00 am to 7:00 am Line 1) 7:00 am to 8:00 am Line 2) 8:00 am to 9:00 am Line 3) 9:00 am to 2:00 pm Line 4) 2:00 pm to 2:15 pm Line 2) 2:15 pm to 10:15 pm Line 4) 10:15 pm to 10:30 pm Line 3) 10:30 pm to 12:00 midnight Once you have started your day you should always make a mark @ the top of your log grid stating when your original 14 hour ends. The 2 hour break: 1. Does not extend the 14 hour 2. Must be consecutive 3. Can be a combination of lines 1 & 2 4. It can be more than 2 hours The 8 hour break: 1. The 8 hour break will extend the 14 hour 2. Must be completed in the SLEEPER 3. Can be 8 to 9.75 hours, remember 10 clears out all time prior to the 10 hour break. Do these steps below after your 2nd break (breaks being the 8 & 2) 1. Go to the end of the previous break; Count over 14 hours make a mark at the top of your log clock 2. Go to the end of the previous break; Look forward and see if you have 8 hours or more in the sleeper. A. If yes: Count the number of hours in the sleeper and count over from your make you made on step 1 by that many hours and make a new mark; that is your final 14 hour window B. If no: The 14 hour mark you made on step 1 is the 14 hour window C. Add up the driving hours in between the 2 breaks and subtract it from 11; that is how many hours you can drive IF the 14 allows you to drive them. Remember whichever comes firt the 11 or 14 hour you must stop "DRIVING" All you need to be concerned with is DO NOT DRIVE past the marks and DO NOT DRIVE PAST 11 HOURS BY the time you hit the mark. Another way to state the driving time is the time prior to the break (being 8 or 2) and after the break can not total more than 11 hours! You still must figure out the 14 hour clock, because the 14 hour may come before your driving time you are allowed! It is really easy. You can be on line 4 past your 14 hour; it does not matter if you are split breaking or not! This is why the way to calculate your split breaking above will help you focus on what needs to be focused on! If you have e-mail I have the log and explinations (everything isn't in this post) in power point! HAVE A GREAT DAY!
#34
02-15-2007, 11:30 AM
Sorry, Dawn: That's more work that I EVER have to do while driving! :lol:
Not gonna PLAY this game. I know how to log. I always have! Besides, I'm at home for my break. I refuse to do logging while I'm off the road! I'll be honest folks. If a newbie comes on here and asks how to log BEFORE he goes to CDL school, I'll gladly help him or tell him to wait and learn it in school. If he comes here AFTER CDL school and asks how to log, I'll probably still help him.... but, I might want to suggest he goes BACK to school! I don't know what SOME of these schools are teaching these days. But, if they're not teaching LOGGING, or the student isn't learning it... Well... I just don't know WHAT to say!
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#35
02-15-2007, 11:30 AM
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Oh.... is that right? Then when you said that the "total ON Duty time" (assuming you were ONLY referring to line 3) on either side of a break, combined, cannot equal more than 14 hours..... you were again mistaken, right?
No, I wasn't.
Because, IF it applies to the COMBINED on duty times of both lines, it is incorrect. And, IF it applies ONLY to line 3 (Driving time) it is still incorrect.
Yes, you CHANGED your hours in your second post, but which are we to believe? Since you are ALWAYS right, do we believe what you said in your first post? Or what you said in your second one?
Perhaps, instead of taking 3 "edits" to correct a simple mistake in spelling (if one can believe that you did,) you should have spent ONE of those "edits" on correcting your first post.
Then WHY would you say the following: "You must always add up the on duty time and driving time..." ????
Because you must do so when calculating your 14 hours, since you cannot drive beyond the 14th hour (unless you have 8 hours or more in the sleeper berth).
Hmmmm...... that sounds like an instruction to ADD both lines together. But wait..... we weren't TALKING about anything but ONE LINE, right???
And an EQUAL shame that you cannot admit when you are mistaken or have misspoken. :roll:
#36
02-15-2007, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Maybe Golfhobo and Dawn could start their own log and safety consulting company. They could call it " Blind Leading the Blind Consulting Inc. "
But first Golfhobo needs to teach Dawn the ENGRISH language.
#37
02-15-2007, 11:50 AM
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Maybe Golfhobo and Dawn could start their own log and safety consulting company. They could call it " Blind Leading the Blind Consulting Inc. "
But first Golfhobo needs to teach Dawn the ENGRISH language.
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#38
02-15-2007, 11:57 AM
The REV said:
What?
Why do I waste my time? :shock: :lol:
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#39
02-15-2007, 11:59 AM
Then WHY would you say the following: "You must always add up the on duty time and driving time..." ????
Because you must do so when calculating your 14 hours, since you cannot drive beyond the 14th hour (unless you have 8 hours or more in the sleeper berth What about if a driver goes off duty during their split break time and stops for 1 hour? The driver should be adding up lines 1,2,3 & 4 from the previous break; minus any 8 hour breaks. You should be more specific a driver reading this would only consider lines 3 & 4, he/she would not consider any other time as counting towards their 14 hour. Maybe this is why I have drivers in violation and telling me they thought only lines 3 & 4 counted! You are not being specific enough, you are only assuming the driver is logging line 2, 3 & 4. Some drivers like to stop for 30 minutes for a break or maybe longer and maybe shorter! They should understand how to do it with this included! Which my example clearly gives a driver freedom to stop, load, pre-trip, post-trip, fuel etc! Many have gotten a great concept from me; it's those who refuse to listen! I make it simple and this board simply makes it confusing! :lol: I agree with Golf you just want to argue; and unfortunately if you are running your own business then I sure hope when DOT comes to audit you he pulls the good drivers not the bad one's. If there is any good one's? None of you here know me so you really have no reason to judge me! I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO LOGS! Wording means everything! Be simple! Your post that I stated in the first place Rev was very confusing and I know how to read and If it confussed me, I am sure the next person to read it will take it the WRONG WAY! I know you understand it, but that post is going to be read incorrectly! Golf I don't blame you for not wanting to do logs on time off! It is merley anyone who wants to understand it and anyone who wants to umm debate that I don't know what I am talking about! BECAUSE I DO AND I KNOW I DO! And I would never ever tell a driver to go back to school! I would simply sit him/her down and take the time to explain it as the school (as any normal school) doesn't have the time for 1 driver one on one! :cry: Rev: I also agree with Golf: THE PICTURE TOTALLY FITS YOUR PERSONALITY! I did not use spell check to please you!
#40
02-15-2007, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Originally Posted by tfmotors
Maybe Golfhobo and Dawn could start their own log and safety consulting company. They could call it " Blind Leading the Blind Consulting Inc. "
But first Golfhobo needs to teach Dawn the ENGRISH language. Please feel free to correct the grammar.... If you are able to. But, I highly doubt that you could, after reading your responses. Since you say that you are on break, why not use the time in a constructive manner by working on your comprehension skills. |
