I never thought that I would live to see the American media be co-conspirators in such a massive cover-up as I have seen during the last election and this administration.

 

The lamestream press has been hijacked and co-opted by the left for more years than I care to remember, and because the left controls the lamestream press, the lamestream press for years has been complicit in covering up and camouflaging what Islam really is, because the left for decades have maintained an unholy alliance with Islam. Indeed, they both wish and seek together to bring down the Western capitalist civilization we have now and replace it with their own versions of utopia. Indeed, it is the enemy of my enemy is my friend principle in action.

However, the left is playing a very dangerous game, since should their alliance with Islam ever succeed in bringing down the West, then Islam will simply kill all the delusional leftist useful idiot elites, as they did in Iran circa 1979, and then impose Sharia. In other words, the world would fall back into barbarianism and another Dark Ages would ensue from which the world may never recover.

I mean why else has the so-called Israeli/Palestinian conflict been presented as a moral equivalence for all these years, and never mind that Israel is just one country out of many other non-Muslim countries that unfortunately for them also border Muslim countries and that are all under assault simultaneously by Islam. Indeed, if the lamestream press wasn’t controlled by the left, then the conflict in Israel wouldn’t be singled out and would be presented instead for what it really is, which is just one out of many perpetual jihads that the Dar al Islam is currently pursuing against its various non-Muslim neighbors around the world.

Moreover, there would be no talk of a so-called peace process, since all jihads prosecuted by Muslims against non-Muslim kafir infidels are permanent and will go on forever no matter how many concessions the non-Muslim kafir infidels naïvely make.

 

From that one sentence, I'm not sure if you are more ignorant than deluded or vice-versa. I am convinced that this discussion is a waste of my time. Doing this with you is like talking to someone about load securement and having them insist that a chain binder is called a ratchet strap and that it's used to hold your cargo up off the deck.

Virtually everything you write is factually incorrect. I barely have time to deconstruct one sentence, but let's have a go at this one.

We do not have a Marxist government in this country. A Marxist government, by Marx's own definition would be a “dictatorship of the proletariat”, featuring collective ownership and management of the means of production. The proletarian class has virtually no voice in our current government. We are governed by a corporate-bureaucratic complex that aims to protect and further enrich the already wealthy at the expense of the working class. That's why Main Street bails out Wall Street, when it should (in my admittedly socialist opinion) be the other way around.

We do not have a socialist economy in this country. Socialism can take numerous forms, the common feature being state control of the economy and perhaps state ownership of the means of production. The critical aim of controlling the economy being the goal of redistributing wealth so as to achieve a more egalitarian society, without poverty, and with equal access to things like education and health care for all citizens. (I don't understand why people like you find that so frightening) What we have is a state that has abandoned control of the economy by removing almost all regulations on the operation of its financial markets for the benefit of the wealthy and at the expense of everyone else. This laissez-faire approach has brought us the greatest concentration of wealth since the 1920's. In 2004 20% of U.S. Households controlled almost 85% of our nations wealth. The middle class is being squeezed out of existence. I challenge you to show me any socialist tract that advocates the redistribution of wealth from the bottom up, which is what is occurring in our country. Once again, you're 180 degrees off in your thinking.

It's functionally impossible to have a Marxist government paired with a socialist economy. Marxism is communism. That's not socialism. If you want to talk about Marxism, you should read Marx. If you want to talk about capitalism, you should read Adam Smith, John Maynard Keynes and whoever gave us the idiocy of monetarism. If you don't know what you are talking about, you should keep your thoughts to yourself. Feel free to wrap as much tin foil around your head as you wish.

Simply put, your above statement is specious on its face and destroys any credibility you have in any discussion of any issue regarding politics and/or economics.

That's why I have no interest in answering your questions or continuing this discussion. I could explain these things to you for days. But I can't understand them for you.

 

nevermind.

 

I know that because you are a proud member of the left that you have been inculcated to be blind as a bat via political correct multiculturalism. Thus, since the left doesn’t view Muslims as being whites, Muslims can only be the victims and the whites can only be the victimizers in your blinded by political correct multicultural eyes. Hence, the reason you insanely emote any and all criticisms of Muslims by whites as inherently being racist and bigoted at the same time that it is also exceedingly Islamaphobic and xenophobic as well.

Irrespective of the leftwing self loathing you have been indoctrinated to feel and the insane political correct multiculturalism that deludes your perception, criticism can only be construed to be illegitimate, racist, bigoted, Islamaphobic, and xenophobic if and only if it is not true and otherwise based on lies, innuendos, and half-truths instead. You know sort of like the way that the left always viciously attacks Jews and the state of Israel on a regular and routine basis. Which is not only always exceedingly racist, bigoted, and xenophobic, but also anti-Semitic and idiotic as hell.

Nevertheless, if you naively believe that Islam is really a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims are peaceful, moderate, and perfectly compatible with Western civilization, then at the same time you ought to be able to provide a reasonable explanation as to why non-Muslims living inside peaceful Muslim countries, where the majority of the world’s so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims live today, without exception are always treated as second class dhimmis and are always as the rule rather than the exception harshly oppressed and discriminated against by the so-called moderate and peaceful Muslims living in those peaceful Muslim countries in every case. And surely if you believe the above legitimate criticism to be a glaring example of the kind of hatred and bigotry directed towards Muslims that constitutes abuse of an entire religion and population like you and the left always insanely allege anytime and every time anyone so much as legitimately criticizes Islam, then surely you can prove the above criticism isn’t true and thus constitutes another glaring example of the kind of deliberate demonization and vilification of Islam and Muslims you idiotically allege. Nevertheless, I hope you excuse me if I won’t hold my breath.

You should also be able to point to several non-Muslim countries located anywhere in the world that borders Muslim countries and that at the same time are able to live in peace and harmony side-by-side next door with their bordering Muslim neighbor. And surely if you believe the above legitimate criticism to be a glaring example of the kind of hatred and bigotry directed towards Muslims that constitutes abuse of an entire religion and population like you and the left always insanely allege anytime and every time anyone so much as legitimately criticizes Islam, then surely you can prove the above criticism isn’t true and thus constitutes another glaring example of the kind of deliberate demonization and vilification of Islam and Muslims you idiotically allege. Nevertheless, I hope you excuse me if I won’t hold my breath.

In addition, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why every non-Muslim country in the world that has allowed Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass has also inevitably become the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks and why at the same time in other Non-Muslim countries where Muslims have not yet migrated and immigrated in mass in stark contrast to the aforementioned have yet to become the victim of Islamic terrorist attacks. And surely if you believe the above legitimate criticism to be a glaring example of the kind of hatred and bigotry directed towards Muslims that constitutes abuse of an entire religion and population like you and the left always insanely allege anytime and every time anyone so much as legitimately criticizes Islam, then surely you can prove the above criticism isn’t true and thus constitutes another glaring example of the kind of deliberate demonization and vilification of Islam and Muslims you idiotically allege. Nevertheless, I hope you excuse me if I won’t hold my breath.

Further, you should also be able to provide a reasonable explanation why in every non-Muslim country in the world where Muslims have migrated and immigrated to in mass the majority of the Muslim immigrants have always refused to assimilate and integrate and eventually once the population of Muslims became sufficiently large enough Muslim no go zones are created that are ruled and governed by Islamic Sharia Law and in direct contravention to the laws of the state in which they now reside. And surely if you believe the above legitimate criticism to be a glaring example of the kind of hatred and bigotry directed towards Muslims that constitutes abuse of an entire religion and population like you and the left always insanely allege anytime and every time anyone so much as legitimately criticizes Islam, then surely you can prove the above criticism isn’t true and thus constitutes another glaring example of the kind of deliberate demonization and vilification of Islam and Muslims you idiotically allege. Nevertheless, I hope you excuse me if I won’t hold my breath.

I mean all you have to do is provide reasonable explanations to prove the above criticisms are illegitimate and at the same time you would also prove that Islam is truly a religion of peace and that the vast overwhelming majority of the world’s Muslims truly are peaceful and moderate and also perfectly compatible with Western civilization, and in so doing you would also simultaneously demonstrate that I like the majority of all evil rightwing white people you have been inculcated to hate is racist and bigoted and just engaging in deliberate demonization and vilification of Muslims and an entire religion and population and also exactly like you have been insanely and idiotically asserting ad nauseum.

On the other hand, if no reasonable explanations for the above can be provided, then it would indicate that any country that allows Muslims to migrate and immigrate in mass is playing a very dangerous fool’s game because they are in effect enabling a 5th column to infiltrate and penetrate deep inside their own countries. It would also indicate that your off the wall and ludicrous allegations regarding demonizing and abusing Muslims, an entire religion, and people are unfounded and totally mentally unhinged as well.

 

Uhm…could you please explain how when you say: “make them show their hatred and bigotry toward Muslims, allow them to abuse an entire religion or population,” that doesn’t constitute a personal attack?

And when you say, “I had NO IDEA I was spawning such an anti-Muslim HATEFEST! I would NEVER have done so intentionally,” that doesn’t constitute a personal attack?

In other words, what you misconstrue as being personal attacks is unwarranted but at the same time your own personal attacks are perfectly legitmate and justifiable. Give me a break!

By the way, I challenge you to produce just one single example of what I said about Islam and Muslims in this thread or any other thread for that matter that remotely can be construed as bigoted and illegitimate by sane people and thereby justifies your personal attacks. The truth is you can’t and that simultaneously also proves, by the way, that you are more than just a little deluded. It proves, as a matter of fact, unequivocally that you are downright unhinged.

In any event, I don’t want them to ban you dude, because if they banned off the wall bat sh!!t crazy liberals like you, this forum would be boring as hell. Indeed, the name of this forum is, “Anthing and Everything” and it should at least live up to its title.

 

Let's attack the position and not the poster. We don't need to start with the name calling.

 

Oh Please Gman,

Happy hand has been full of personal attacks since day one, ( I use that term happily in the way of a put down to him) So if you feel the need to give me a time out please feel free. This thread and the other one have both gotten way out of hand. Happy Hand likes to state over and over and over again and then one more time just for giggles his ridiculous ideals and his psuedo knowledge of Islam, ("THE NON RELIGION") using the same lame old use of the English language. WHO fing cares anymore, It's old...... I think it is time you guys lock these threads. Just by reading his last response where he is telling Hobo what he thinks constitutes a personal attack is so fricking funny that it really shows his lack of understanding towards any other mind set, other then his own. There is no possible way to get him to even consider that another person can be sane and have a different mindset then him, How sad is that....

I to have been accused of being a trouble maker on this board yet in 5 years of membership not once has a moderator told me to personally cut it out. Yet I have been told that you guys view me as such, so why should we even bother to post anymore. It is quite obivious to me that Happy Hand clearly shows hostility and distaste towards anyone who does not agree with him, at this point to even try to hold an educational debate with him would turn out to be a futile cause. It is a waste of time in my opinion. For over five years
I have been a member of CDLADrivers and on several occasions I have disagreed with others on various occasions, and some times there have been mild attacks on character from all involved, but these two post are carrying the situation to new heights and quite honestly is is beginning to stink and we all know where the fish stinks from first.

So as with Hobo if you guys "the moderators" want to keep this board as a conservative monopoly then go ahead and end my membership, if you like the idea that this board has a wide variety of personalities then maybe it is time to lock these threads that do nothing more then breed more haterd in a world filled with enough hate...

It really does suck and is why past due...

P.S. Happy Hand I fully expect you to respond in the way you do; if it is less then five lines I may be able to stomach reading it, however if you go on with the "inculate", "more overs" "in other words", "By the way", "In any Event", "Furthermores", & Nevertheless I think I will puke all over my computer, you have eclisped by far any post that some members state Hobo has gone on and on with. With offense in mind; Hobo's command of the English langauge makes you're post look as if they were written by a sixth grader trying her hardest to suck up to the teacher..

Happy Days Folks...

Timberwolf

 

See...now you've sunk the level I'm at. :lol:
I'm reminded of an old joke, if you don't mind...oh...yeah...ofcourse not.


[Hobo's Wild West Last Stand]
Episode 147, scene 42 take/24

........................Shot From The Right

.......................Twilight..............Hobo

 

Actually TimberWolf, this is supposed to be a apolitical board. However, we all have opinions and although my personal views are conservative I would not want to eliminate the liberals from posting. There is nothing wrong with mixing it up a bit. The problem is not in disagreeing with another's opinion but with the personal attacks. And that has come from both sides. I like a good debate, but it is not in anyone's interest to get into personal attacks and name calling no matter who does it. It has nothing to do with political ideology. It turns a lot of people off when they come to the board and they see bickering and name calling.