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Old 09-19-2009, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Ok, from here on in, only nutjob Christians are representative of all Christians. Abortion doctor killers, David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh, the Salem Witch hunts, etc.; they now represent you and your beliefs.

How do you like them apples?

Or perhaps you realize that those are FRINGE groups that did things in the NAME of your god, and didn't represent what your god is about. Perhaps it's time you extend the same courtesy to other religions and people, and stop the bigotry.



Prove it. There's lots of instances in the Bible of nonbelievers being killed by god, or in the name of god.



The same holds true for Islam, now doesn't it? Or do you think you're entitled, and only when Christians do stupid things in the name of their god can one wash their hands of it?



Yeah, having Christians go around and murder you if you didn't change your beliefs will do that.

I don't believe those who participated in the Crusades were acting in the name of GOD, even if that was their premise. These people committed many atrocities during that time including cannibalism. I don't think GOD would have condoned that behavior. I could go into some of the other atrocities these people committed in the name of GOD, but I won't. There have been many wars that were started and perpetuated in the name of GOD. The difference between some of these wars and the world of Islam is that most Christians would condemn their behavior. It seems that the Muslims seem to support their extremists. The GOD I know doesn't push people into committing those type of atrocities. I would like to know where the Ayatollahs were during this time? Why don't they condemn these people and their behavior? It seems to me that rather than condemning them they encourage their vile behavior. The Muslim religious leaders and heads of state could stop this if they wanted. Instead, they provide a safe haven and financial resources to help them achieve their goals. Christians would condemn the behavior publicly. They may pray for their souls, but they would condemn the behavior. Muslims seem to react differently. If someone speaks out against Muslims they are condemned to death. Perhaps that is why more don't speak out. They are afraid of repercussions from the terrorists. I don't recall a single religious leader or head of state in the Middle East who condemned the murderers who killed almost 3,000 innocent people on 9/11. And as Mommee stated, there were earlier instances of terrorism against America that these people never even lifted a finger to condemn. If I seem like a racist or bigoted, then so be it. I believe most things are either right or wrong no matter who commits the crime. Something can't be partly right or partly wrong. They are either right or wrong. The terrorists were wrong and those who failed to condemn them are just as guilty with their silent participation. By the way, spent a year studying the Middle Ages when I was in college. It is something that I have some knowledge. At one time much of the Middle East was Christian. Turkey was once a Christian country. I don't care that Obama is black/white. I do care that his policies are destroying this country. He is not alone. He has willing accomplices in Nancy Pelosi and company. She and many of her cohorts are white. I suppose I am bigoted against them as well? These people are collectively doing their best to destroy the United States of America.
 
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Old 09-19-2009, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dobry4u
I think your distaste for democrats and specifically our president truly clouds your objectivity. For one, the condition of the economy is in fact a global occurrence while you define it as a democratic phenomenon. You are claiming that the president is bringing this country "to its knees" because you believe it is to benefit the Muslims. You have no real basis for your statement. Perhaps there is some racial or religious prejudices in the mix.

I have a good knowledge of history. And this president, along with his accomplices in congress are doing everything they can to bring this nation down. Just look at some of the policies they have initiated since he has been in office. They passed the biggest spending bill in history and not a single one even bothered to read it, on either side of the isle. This president continues to circumvent the constitution with his appointment of czars answerable only to him. The reason so much of this is global is because many of our businesses are global. Most of the business world operates on the dollar. When there is a problem with our currency it affects anyone who uses US dollars. That includes almost every civilized country in the world. This collapse has been coming for some time. All the signs were there. I do think this president and congress have not handled the situation very well. I don't think the president is totally responsible for what is happening. Congress is at least as responsible as is the previous administration. Congress controls the purse strings. The president cannot do much without the participation of congress. I believe that is one reason Obama has been appointing all these czars. He wants to be able to operate as he sees fit without interference from anyone. Programs that he has implemented go against what this country stands for. He has essentially taken over the U.S. auto industry as well as some of the largest banks and insurance companies with the take over of AIG. This is not something a free economy should be doing. Again, he could not have accomplished what he has done without congress. One thing I can tell you for certain is that history has a way of repeating itself. If you want to know what comes next, check out history just prior to WWII. Look at a fellow who came from obscurity to be Fuhrer of Germany with aspirations to rebuild the old Roman Empire and rule the world. His name was Adolf Hitler.
 
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I will add a couple of other points. Schools discuss Islam in some of our schools, but let them talk about the Holy Bible or Christianity and the teacher can lose his/her job or be sued. Contrary to what our president has stated, this country was founded on Christian principles. Although I still consider this to be a Christian nation, I am not sure that is still the case. Our forefathers put "Freedom of Religion" in our constitution. Yet, you can no longer mention GOD or Christianity in our public schools. That doesn't apply with Islam. By the way, there is no such thing as separation of church and state in our constitution. The liberals would have you think differently. It merely prohibits the establishment of a state religion such as what we see in some of the Muslim nations. Early settlers to this country left their homeland to come here so that they could worship as they wish.










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Old 09-19-2009, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GMAN
Contrary to what our president has stated, this country was founded on Christian principles. Although I still consider this to be a Christian nation, I am not sure that is still the case. Our forefathers put "Freedom of Religion" in our constitution. Yet, you can no longer mention GOD or Christianity in our public schools.

By the way, there is no such thing as separation of church and state in our constitution. The liberals would have you think differently. It merely prohibits the establishment of a state religion such as what we see in some of the Muslim nations. Early settlers to this country left their homeland to come here so that they could worship as they wish.
Introduction to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment

The Supreme Court...(conservative leaning at the time,) and MOST of our founding fathers, disagree with you! Until you accept this SIMPLE and basic tennet of our Constitution, and the foundation of the freedoms this country was built on.... you cannot be reasoned with.

You are.... in your own words and by your own definition.... an "extremist, a fundamentalist, and obsessed."
 
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
Me thinks you read way too much into GMAN'S posts.
I thought she read it clearly and perfectly. She has a knack at doing that! Gman seems to have an acceptable level of intelligence, a higher level of education, and a lot of common sense. But, when it comes to Obama, democrats in general, and liberals.... he gets VERY narrowminded and even MORE imaginative!

He ALSO has a very selective memory, as he fails to give Dubya credit (where it is due) for not ONLY the problem.... but ALSO the initiation of the "fixes" that he now rails against!
 
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Where can we find the words, "in god we trust" our governments money, ya think???
What about, " one nation under God" the pledge which is now no good in schools for some reason???
My sons swearing in to the Navy, I forgot the words but God was mentioned??? Sorry!!!
This nation was founded as a christian NATION!!!! But now everyone wants to change what their ancestors made, go figure!!!
 
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These seem to be the views of the writer? And American news agencies at that and 1 English!!! Nothing from a mid east news resource????????? Did not see anything televised!!! I could care less what 1 man wants to tell the world!!! Now lets see it come from their own news resources like i might spell it wrong but here it goes.. Al jazirra. Remember a news article is the writers opinion!!! Show me the proof!!
 
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
When someone discounts an entire religion as a religion of hate and murder, it's kind of hard not to read something into that.

With all due respect rev, you only know what you read! Take your young a@@ over to Afghanistan, then come back and give a report to the class!!! Why do you fight this so much??? Funny, our solders can not trust 1 ANA they are there to train, or their police for that matter. In the news the other day, an ANA soldier shot an American soldier over a drink of water in front of them on their holy time or something! For that matter he was shot back...lol Why did that ANA expect us to observe what their religion does, and then fight over it??? Maybe we should make the Muslims in this country observe Christmas, or we get to shoot them????
All this Islam cra@ is just reverse discrimination in this country! We have already been there in this country and are back again!

Here is the article!!!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32811883..._central_asia/

American shot over drink of water
In Kabul, the capital, an American service member and an Afghan police officer got into an argument because the American was drinking water in front of the Afghan police, who are not eating or drinking during the day because of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, said the district chief, Abdul Baqi Zemari.

The police officer shot the American and seriously wounded him, while other American troops responded and seriously wounded the police officer, Zemari said.

Here is not forcing their beliefs!!!!
Its in black and white, so try not to pick it apart, you were not there!!!!
 
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Introduction to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment

The Supreme Court...(conservative leaning at the time,) and MOST of our founding fathers, disagree with you! Until you accept this SIMPLE and basic tenet of our Constitution, and the foundation of the freedoms this country was built on.... you cannot be reasoned with.

I don't see where my views differ from the founding fathers concerning the first amendment. They may or may not have discussed a wall of separation between the government and religion, but it is not in the constitution. The first amendment was written to prevent the establishment of a state religion. Prior to this time there were heads of state that were also head of their church. Justinian was one of them. He was not only Emperor but head of the church. This country was established as a Christian nation. The early settlers fled to the new world (America) in part due to wanting to freely worship as they pleased. The first amendment provides freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. There is a difference. And our founding fathers were not all conservative. They were actually a very diverse group. In fact, I believe that one of them was either an atheist or agnostic.


You are.... in your own words and by your own definition.... an "extremist, a fundamentalist, and obsessed."
I never called myself an extremist, a fundamentalist or obsessed." Although you could probably classify me as a fundamentalist. I believe in the Bible and one GOD. I am not sure about the other two. I tend to speak my mind and don't deviate from my basic beliefs. I don't think that makes me obsessed or an extremist. I don't try to force my beliefs on others. An extremist would attempt to force others to believe as he does. I don't do that.
 
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
I thought she read it clearly and perfectly. She has a knack at doing that! Gman seems to have an acceptable level of intelligence, a higher level of education, and a lot of common sense. But, when it comes to Obama, democrats in general, and liberals.... he gets VERY narrowminded and even MORE imaginative!

He ALSO has a very selective memory, as he fails to give Dubya credit (where it is due) for not ONLY the problem.... but ALSO the initiation of the "fixes" that he now rails against!

I think GW deserves a lot of credit for getting this depression started. He did a good job after 9/11 but he could have done much better in a couple of areas. He never had a spending bill that he didn't like. He went along with the democratic congress way too much when it came to spending money. I was not all that thrilled with GW, but he was way above his opponent. The problem that I have with Obama and the democrats is their seeming disdain for our constitution and what it means to be an American. Obama and the congress are acting irresponsibly. They didn't think this stimulus plan through before spending money. I include both parties in them acting irresponsibly. I am merely bringing attention to their failures. Very little of the stimulus money has actually gotten into the economy, but I guarantee you that if the economy starts to turn around that the democrats will take the credit. What they did may or may not have helped turn things around. Frankly, I think things would have been better had they kept their hands off. And that goes for GW as well. You see, I understand that the president is not totally responsible for this economy or what goes on in this country. Congress is as much or more responsible the he, no matter who is president. I also understand that while GW made mistakes, everything that went wrong under his administration was not his responsibility. Much of what he was blamed for should have been directed at congress. Notice that I didn't say democratic congress. The republicans had power during part of his administration. They could have made a difference. Instead, they blew their chance and forgot their basic principles. We have a cancer eating away at our very foundation. If I seem obsessed it is because I don't want to see a small group of individuals destroy what has taken more than 200 years to build.
 

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