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#162
09-24-2009, 04:25 AM
Hey Rev, I was kinda thinking over my last post and where I said I was done for a while. I don’t want you to think I was trying to cut you off and that I was trying to get the last word in. Nothing like that at all. Just going to be some busy days ahead and admittedly when I get wrapped up into a political discussion like that, I tend to find myself getting bitter at our government and the world in general and I have to step back for a bit.
So if you want to run a point-by-point rebuttal, that’s cool…I just probably won’t get a chance for an in-depth reply for a while.
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#163
09-24-2009, 06:26 AM
you stated that there are no living ex slaves or owners, the only way you could ascertain that information is to interview every living person, so I figured while you were interviewing them, you could have asked them if they were at the protest, then count how many said yes, and BINGO, you have the number
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#164
09-24-2009, 06:28 AM
I had a huge reply all written out, but then I decided there was little point. You weren't really contradicting me, and you were more so delving into the realm of actual debate. I rarely talk about my personal political beliefs, and have no desire to start. That's one of the reasons why both sides label me as the "enemy." It takes skill to have a Democrat claim you're a Republican, and a Republican to claim you're a Democrat. Especially when it happens in the same forum (that's happened too. true story)
My ultimate goal in interjecting myself into this discussion is to shine a flashlight on the BS, and say "wait a minute! that isn't true!" Think of me like factcheck.org. I wasn't always like this. I had ideals, and things I believed to be true. Then Bush left office, and the nutjobs on the left had nothing to complain about anymore, so they disappeared into the shadows, only to be replaced by the nutjobs on the right. It made me angry to think that a group I had considered myself aligned with would resort to such levels, and with such strong ignorance. So I fought back. Sure, it's pissed people off along the way, but so be it. If it exposes the hypocrisy for what it is, then it's worth it. Don't get me wrong; I am strongly in favor of people having personal beliefs. But I believe that if you're going to have personal beliefs, and you're going to express those to other people, you had better be damn sure you can back those beliefs up, because I'm gonna challenge them. I do the same thing with people who push Christianity. It might shock you to know that I actually support a lot of the same things Christians do. I believe that people should be allowed to pray in school if they want to. I believe if someone wants to talk about Jesus in their valedictorian speech, they should have that right. But if you're going to say "Christianity is this," then you had better be ready to stand by that belief, because I will challenge it. I guess what I'm getting at is, if someone can't stand behind what they believe, and give concrete reasons WHY they believe something to be true, then I would contend that maybe their belief in it isn't really what they think it is. So profess your political beliefs. Profess your religious beliefs. But be prepared to support them, because I can assure you, I'll challenge them. If you're not willing to support them, then I say you really don't believe them. 
#165
09-24-2009, 11:55 AM
you stated that there are no living ex slaves or owners, the only way you could ascertain that information is to interview every living person, so I figured while you were interviewing them, you could have asked them if they were at the protest, then count how many said yes, and BINGO, you have the number
I was referring to U.S. slaves and owners. Since U.S. slaves were freed about 150 years or so ago I felt that it was a safe assumption that none were still among us. I forgot about some of the recent slave trade where some African nations or tribes have been capturing and selling other Africans into slavery. I remember seeing something about some U.S. organizations attempting to buy these people from their captors in order to set them free. Which protest are you referring? There have been many during our 200+ year history.
#166
09-24-2009, 01:26 PM
I was referring to U.S. slaves and owners. Since U.S. slaves were freed about 150 years or so ago I felt that it was a safe assumption that none were still among us. I forgot about some of the recent slave trade where some African nations or tribes have been capturing and selling other Africans into slavery. I remember seeing something about some U.S. organizations attempting to buy these people from their captors in order to set them free. Which protest are you referring? There have been many during our 200+ year history.
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#167
09-24-2009, 03:38 PM
No, he hasn't. Congress provided federal loans with certain stipulations attached to them, just like any other lending institution would.
Not exactly. Most lenders don’t require an equity stake when they make a loan. The government has a 60% equity stake in GM. The government has a 10% equity stake in Chrysler. The government has a 36% equity stake in Citigroup. The government has a 80% equity stake in AIG. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/.../1....16217125.html - topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/.../citigroup.../index.html - Bloomberg.com - Leftlane – news, reviews, and info for the auto-industrygovernment-ownership-of-chrysler-gm.html - genevalunch.com/.../general-motors-prepares-for-60-us-government-ownership/ - No, he hasn't. The SEC asset guarantee program had certain stipulations attached to it, just like any other lending institution would. See above. The government required an equity stake in these companies. No, he doesn't. That's just ridiculous. He's trying to create a program that would offer insurance to the 47 million Americans who currently have no health insurance. That's hardly "taking over the entire health care industry." So he says. I would like to see healthcare costs reduced. Creating another beauracracy is not the answer. www.thehealthcareblog.com/...health_care.../a-detailed-anal.html - No he doesn't. He is trying to end federal subsidies of private student loan lenders, which will ultimately save the taxpayers money. Is that supposed to be a bad thing? It depends on whether he will either create or expand another government beauracracy. I think we may have been better off when we had to save and work our way through college. GM requested assistance from the government, and agreed to the provisions set forth in the bailout. Therefore, GM gave him the right to fire the CEO. Nobody made GM take the money. I don't believe the bailout has yet been finalized when Obama fired GM's CEO. Obama isn't qualified to evaluate any executive or business. As far as I know, he has never actually held a real job in his life. I doubt that he can even read a balance sheet. The only thing that gave him a right to fire the CEO is the government equity in GM. You are right about one thing. Nobody forced GM to take the money. You've provided absolutely no proof of this whatsoever. Check the references above. Yes you do. That's why you keep harping on it. My dad is a Christian. So is my mom. I attended Christian classes as a child. I have relatives who are Christian. Using your "duck" theory, does that make me a Christian? You become a Christian by professing a belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Do I need to reference scriptures to prove that point? It is easy to assume that if you were raised in a Christian household with parents who professed to be Christian, that you will most likely be a Christian. Not everyone who is raised in a Christian household becomes a Christian, but we tend to reflect our environment. :rofl: This stuff is so easy to disprove when you provide nothing to back it up. Religious identification in the U.S. 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. This is a major slide from 86.2% in 1990. Identification with Christianity has suffered a loss of 9.7 percentage points in 11 years -- about 0.9 percentage points per year. This decline is identical to that observed in Canada between 1981 and 2001. If this trend has continued, then: at the present time (2007-MAY), only 71% of American adults consider themselves Christians The percentage will dip below 70% in 2008 By about the year 2042, non-Christians will outnumber the Christians in the U.S. Any questions? There has been a decline of Christianity in recent years in the U.S. It is really sad that so many people have lost their faith. I suppose that's why he's trying to negotiate peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Because he's turned his back on them. He is embracing the Palestinians and turning his back on Israel. If you have missed the news I will see if I can come up with some references for you. No you didn't. You said he was like Hitler, and then said if we wanted to know how, we should look it up. Hell - I'd settle for you providing a link to a tenth of the claims you make. Have I reached my tenth yet? Making a claim, especially a ridiculous one, then expecting others to do your research to prove it is a cop out. If that's the standard, I can make any sort of ridiculous claim that I want, and then expect you to prove or disprove it. The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the person making the claim. Do your own research into your claims. I've already done my research in rebuffing them prior to you providing a shred of evidence to support them (which you have yet to do). The fact of the matter is, I have provided evidence to support virtually all of my statements, and you've provided nothing other than rumors, talking points, and conspiracy theories. So why not actually back up your statements instead of continually repeating them in your attempts to wiggle around having to prove them? It isn't that hard to do, and it only serves to strengthen your argument. I'm challenging you to put me in my place. PROVE ME WRONG. I'M BEGGING YOU. The longer you fight this, the more ridiculous you end up looking in the discussion. I don't want to make you look ridiculous. But I am sick and tired of people making unsubstantiated claims about our government officials without having the common courtesy to prove them. It's a cheap shot tactic used by those who are simply looking for a reason not to like someone. I don't see where you have disproved anything that I have stated. But enjoy your delusions.
#168
09-24-2009, 05:04 PM
Not exactly. Most lenders don’t require an equity stake when they make a loan.
So he says. I would like to see healthcare costs reduced. Creating another beauracracy is not the answer.
I don't believe the bailout has yet been finalized when Obama fired GM's CEO. Obama isn't qualified to evaluate any executive or business. As far as I know, he has never actually held a real job in his life. I doubt that he can even read a balance sheet. The only thing that gave him a right to fire the CEO is the government equity in GM. You are right about one thing. Nobody forced GM to take the money.
As far as "never having held a real job in his life," you'd be incorrect on that one too.
You become a Christian by professing a belief in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Do I need to reference scriptures to prove that point? It is easy to assume that if you were raised in a Christian household with parents who professed to be Christian, that you will most likely be a Christian. Not everyone who is raised in a Christian household becomes a Christian, but we tend to reflect our environment.
There has been a decline of Christianity in recent years in the U.S. It is really sad that so many people have lost their faith.
Have I reached my tenth yet?
I don't see where you have disproved anything that I have stated. But enjoy your delusions.
#169
09-25-2009, 12:59 AM
You need to get back on your meds, Rev. Or maybe you should get off of them. It sounds like you are over medicating. Your posts sound like you are delusional. You are reading things that are not there and making up things as you go along. You deny facts even when they are presented to you. And by the way, I never mentioned Nazi's when I referred to socialized medicine. I think you have way too much time on your hands. Have you been hanging out with Michael Moore?
#170
09-25-2009, 01:35 AM
As far as the rest of your personal attack, I see no need to justify it with a response. Thanks for playing! |
