Sarcasm. If you had quoted the rest of my post, I might begin to take you seriously.

See the deal is you think it was a slam and I don't.
There's no way the lipstick is Palin and the pig is the campaign? No, I'm sure there isn't.

And again with the Muslim rumor. It just won't go away. How much of an attack is that? What if Obama called McCain a Catholic (with or without basis)? How well would that go over in the conservative blogs and Southern Baptist churches?

This whole thing is so stupid. Just as was predicted, any comment said by Obama (and Biden to be certain) will be interpreted in a way that creates excitement and fervor among the devoted.

I'm embarrassed by this country's political campaigns. BOTH sides, numbnuts.

 

Can you provide a link to where Obama said that Palin is a pig? I must have missed where he said that...

 

It was not a attack on Palin, wrong analogy yes, as it gave the Republicans another day to slam Obama on being sexist. Then Obama had to spend the day, not talking about issues, but trying to sooth "those voters" he was not being sexist. Now "those voters" are surburban white women, McCain has seen a 12% jump in that voting group. Enough of a jump to have him now leading in most polls.
But as said earlier, it is now becoming a smear campaign and negative campign. Issues do not matter, as long as the Republicans can keep shooting the messager, things will go their way. McCain and Palin are giving the same basic speech every day, hers is her accetance speech over and over. Same tactic Bush used in the 2004 elections, he gave but 3 different speeches the entire campaign, all bacially the same, fear, terrorism and Iraq. It worked for him. The Dems were too stupid to see this.
If Obama wishes to win, he needs to return to the large stadium format, never mention the opposition, and just give a rousing prepared speech which he is very good at.
Biden is in a no win situation. If he gives Palin a "history" lesson he will be seen as "demeaning" and "mean" to women, this will lose 1000's of votes for them. Probably the election. But if they are trailing in the polls, prior to their VP debate, if I were Biden, considering you are behind anyway, I would attack her from the opening bell, go straight for the jugular, never back off. Get her to the point of crying. The Republican tactic is going to get Biden on the defensive about "demeaning" her, yet get him "loose his cool," once he has "demeaned" her, she will basically be allowed free rein to say whatever she pleases, which most likely will be selected portions of her accetance speech.

 

I don't agree that it was a case of foot-in-mouth disease. By all accounts, this was a calculated statement and attack. You might think it was a mistake... and I might agree.... but, it was no "slip of the tongue" or unintended retort.

Ms. Palin spent MOST of her acceptance speech being the "pit bull" (read attack dog) for McCain... since HE is above all that. And, in a moment of Ad Lib, stuck her OWN foot in her mouth and now she is paying for it.

The conventions are over. Now the gloves come off. This is the time that swiftboating raises its ugly head. I would prefer to hear debates over issues, but there will be plenty of personal attacks forthcoming. She wants to play with the big boys? Then SHE needs to watch what she says!

I would bet her "handlers" were dumbfounded when she made that remark. Here they are PLAYING the gender card to attract votes, and their nubile protege puts something "out there" that can be seized upon. If one considers that Cheney is the pit bull of the Bush administration, she is essentially saying "the difference between me and any other pit bull or attack dog, is that I'm a WOMAN!" I wear lipstick!

For someone wanting to be taken seriously as a neutral candidate, she sure put her gender full in the face of the Obama campaign and the voters. In the courtroom, this is called opening the door to cross examination.

By saying that a soccer mom is better than or different from a pit bull because they wear lipstick, she is not only associating herself WITH a pit bull, but asserting that she is superior to one because she is a woman! Vote for me.... because I'm a woman!

No thanks. I would prefer to vote for or against her on her policies and record, both of which are suspect. I don't believe even Hillary ever tried to play the gender card so openly and unabashedly.

As I"m sure you have all seen by now, McCain used the same idiom once before against Hillary's universal health program. No one took it as a personal slam against HER.

If anything, this shows how the American public can get overworked and irrational about women in politics, and super defensive. This type of reaction MAY just prove that we, as a nation and civilization, are not yet ready for either a woman OR a Black man in the executive office. That's a shame, because I really thought we were beyond all that. Or at least, I hoped.

"Buzzwords" are the meat of political campaigns. It is part of the game to banter them back and forth. Grow UP America! McCain/Palin are now trying to co-opt Obama's theme of change. Obama was trying to show that they can talk all they want, but their policies still look like the same old PIG that Dubya has trotted out for the last 8 years. By their OWN ADMISSION, McCain/Palin have put LIPTSTICK on their pig to try to make it more appealing to voters! And Obama called them on it!

That's my 2 cents!

Hobo

 

Why IS it that when Liberals, who always DID support Obama, show up to defend him, they/we are considered to be "crawling out of the woodwork?"

Where do the Moral Majoritists who have shunned McCain for all these months come "crawling out" of when they show up to support this "centrist" candidate once he picked a CONSERVATIVE woman as a Veep? :roll:

I heard Bob Sheiffer say the other day that, ALL is now forgiven of McCain! Talk about SHALLOW politics! :shock:

Apparently, there is not a conservative left in America with any GUTS! They have all flip-flopped now, and will vote for McPalin in hopes that he will die soon and they will have the President of their choice! :lol:

Talk about desperation! :roll:

OH wait! I know where they've been hiding! They've been under "A ROCK!" [IRAQ]

Now that the war SEEMS to be nearing an end, the 78% of them that polled as being AGAINST it, can now climb out from UNDER it and vote for a 3rd TERM for the Bush Machine!

 

Correction Gordo.... the REPS were too stupid to see it ...... then..... as they are now! Palin has ONE speech, full of talking points GIVEN to her, and she will repeat it over and over until someone gives her something NEW to say! :roll:

I disagree. Obama, like Clinton, has the gift of giving a speech "off the cuff" (to some extent) in which he connects to the intelligent public, and explains his positions instead of "proclaiming" them.

I want a POTUS who at least appears to understand his policies and the questions they provoke, and can explain them as he offers them. Bush could never do this! To some minor extent, I even believe that McCain can do this! But, so far..... Ms. Palin has shown no such ability. I haven't heard much from Biden lately, but IIRC, he is pretty good at explaining policies as well.

Lest I forget, Reagan ALSO had this ability. I was a fan of Reagan, although I didn't vote in that election. And, I voted for Clinton for pretty much this singular reason! I am not as "dedicated" to specific and single issues as many Conservatives AND Liberals are! I vote for the man who shows the intelligence to deal with the issues our country faces in a FAIR and hopefully non-partisan way.

But, if Obama wants to win, I suggest he return to his "dialogue" with America and leave the HATE to McPalin's campaign!

 

You mean kind of like "Hope hope hope change hope hope bush evil hope change drilling bad hope change war hope change"? If so, I agree entirely.

 

golfhobo

So far it is the Dems that are being stupid in that they are not calling her on it, (giving the same speech) instead they are "hoping" she will say something else. Obama's campaign seems very confused, and deathly afraid of attacking Palin, giving the Republicans the advantage. Why should the Reublicans change something if it is working for them. Same as Bush did, same thing over and over, and the Dems did nothing. Same tactic as now.
Once the Dems do begin attacking Palin, the Republicans will go back to Karl Rove tactic #1, which is never answer the question, simply attack the messenger in the most negative terms.

 

It truly amazes me how a political discussion can make even the most rational of people turn into a complete and utter idiot, completely ignoring obvious rational things, in favor of what they want something to mean, because it supports their agenda. That's one of the reasons I washed my hands of both the Republicans and Democrats this year, because this is the worst I can remember it ever being. 2000 was bad, 2004 was worse, but this year takes the cake. The entire campaign of both parties lacks any substance whatsoever, and they are simply running on 15 second sound bites and catchy slogans.

It is truly pathetic. That goes for anyone who gets themselves up to their necks in it as well. If ever we needed a "None of the Above" on the ballot, it is this year.

 

If that is your "expert" opinion, then yeah, I agree with YOU! I always agree with you, cuz...... you da man! :lol: