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Old 09-10-2008, 07:59 AM
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It was not a attack on Palin, wrong analogy yes, as it gave the Republicans another day to slam Obama on being sexist. Then Obama had to spend the day, not talking about issues, but trying to sooth "those voters" he was not being sexist. Now "those voters" are surburban white women, McCain has seen a 12% jump in that voting group. Enough of a jump to have him now leading in most polls.
Wrong analogy or intended slam, it makes no difference. I saw it as a slam, but that doesn't matter. What does matter is that many, many people also saw it as a slam and will let their votes register their displeasure. Again, whether it was intended or not, Obama simply has to be monumentally stupid.

If Obama wishes to win, he needs to return to the large stadium format, never mention the opposition, and just give a rousing prepared speech which he is very good at.
As long as he has a teleprompter.

Biden is in a no win situation. If he gives Palin a "history" lesson he will be seen as "demeaning" and "mean" to women, this will lose 1000's of votes for them. Probably the election. But if they are trailing in the polls, prior to their VP debate, if I were Biden, considering you are behind anyway, I would attack her from the opening bell, go straight for the jugular, never back off. Get her to the point of crying.
Get her to the point of crying? Can you be any more sexist, Gordo? What makes you think that a woman raising 5 kids, with mayoral and governer experience behind her, is going to start crying? That's the attitude that simply adds fuel to the Republican steamroller. November ain't even gonna be close at this rate. :roll:

The Republican tactic is going to get Biden on the defensive about "demeaning" her, yet get him "loose his cool," once he has "demeaned" her, she will basically be allowed free rein to say whatever she pleases, which most likely will be selected portions of her accetance speech.
And you know that how? Are you her speech writer? Do you have specific insight into exactly what she will say?

I have a pretty good idea why Palin is staying low-key right now, but it's just my opinion. Based off of what I saw when she gave her acceptance speech and what I've read on her, both positive and negative, I have every belief that she will destroy Biden in a debate. This is not some T&A offering the Republicans are throwing out there to the wolves. This is a very successful, very self-assured, and very intelligent woman. She is the furthest thing from timid and doesn't back down from anyone or anything. She is a perfect foil to Obama, because she is staunchly conservative to his very liberal agenda and unlike Obama, she can think on her feet and is not afraid to speak her mind.

So back to my thinking on why she's low-key right now? Maybe it's to throw Biden completely off his game. It'll be a deathblow to have him coming in to a debate, supremely confident and getting knocked out in the first round by an opponent who is not the creme puff he was thinking she would be. Think Rocky vs. Clubber Lang.

As far as the Palin pick, look at it realistically. McCain is a tired old white guy - he knew that going into this election and knew he was going to get beaten, unless he made a shrewd decision for VP. The choice of Palin was perhaps the shrewdest decision he could have made and Palin is proving that she is the perfect choice. She is perfect in so many ways, from being able to handle herself, to drawing out the worst from the democratic party.

And, in a moment of Ad Lib, stuck her OWN foot in her mouth and now she is paying for it.
That's mildly humorous, Hobo. Pray tell, how is she paying for it? McCain/Palin are taking the lead in most, if not all, the polls now and they are putting some distance between then and the sputtering Obama team.

Look, any way you spin it, the endgame is to do whatever you have to do to get into office, to impliment your policies, to run the country your way. McCain pulled a rabbit out of the hat. Some people think it's just a rabbit. Others see that rabbit as a whole lot more. I happen to be of the latter group - I see what she can bring to the table, I've read just about everything positive and negative on her, and I believe that not only does she have what it takes to be VP, but she has what it takes to headline the Republican ticket in '12. Everyone, on both sides of the political fence have been wanting change. All Obama has done is talk about it, while doing and planning the same thing every other politician has been doing and planning. In Palin, I see the potential for someone actually championing change and not just parrotting it like Obama.

But again, in the end, it's about winning the election. McCain pulled an absolutely brilliant move to do just that. And he found a diamond in the process.
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
I vote for the man who shows the intelligence to deal with the issues our country faces in a FAIR and hopefully non-partisan way.
So in other words, if you like them you will vote for them? So is it more of a popularity contest and the winner gets your vote? Or the person who can give the best speech gets your vote?

Don't you think it's more reasonable and responsible to vote for the person that is for and against certain issues that effect you in your daily life?
 
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Accusing Obama of "smearing" Palin in "offensive and disgraceful" comments, the McCain campaign demanded an apology — though McCain himself used the folksy metaphor a few times last year, including once to describe Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health care plan.
http://wjz.com/xcampaign08/mccain.pa....2.814013.html

What is good for the goose is good for the gander

Pot, meet the kettle

I can go on for hours. But I suppose being a "left wing liberal nutjob" makes me less credible. Or does the fact that Sen McCain said it about Sen Clinton not count because it is OK to attack her?

You know people, just because someone does not agree with you does not make them crazy and the name calling does not make your argument any more credible.
 
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Ahhhh, now this might be interesting TV viewing, doesnt involve either of the candidates......

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/wa...syahoo&emc=rss
 
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Originally Posted by gordoUSA
Ahhhh, now this might be interesting TV viewing, doesnt involve either of the candidates......

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/11/wa...syahoo&emc=rss
including allegations of financial self-dealing, accepting gifts from energy companies, cocaine use and sexual misconduct.
Sounds like a fun party! :rock:

And the link for Job Opportunities to get in on the funhttp://www.mms.gov/ooc/jobopp.html
 
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NEWS FLASH: JOHN MCCAIN CALLS HILLARY CLINTON A PIG!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8Ih...eature=related


Any questions? :roll:
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
NEWS FLASH: JOHN MCCAIN CALLS HILLARY CLINTON A PIG!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8Ih...eature=related


Any questions? :roll:
Youtube is a left wing liberal website slanted to only help democrats. :lol: :lol: :lol:

God, I love the Internets...they so awesome !!1!!!!

BTW, I totally beat you to the punch, I posted this about an hour ago (not the vid but the quote)
 
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Originally Posted by marylandkw
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
NEWS FLASH: JOHN MCCAIN CALLS HILLARY CLINTON A PIG!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8Ih...eature=related


Any questions? :roll:
Youtube is a left wing liberal website slanted to only help democrats. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Isn't every website on the internet? :lol:
 
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Originally Posted by ben45750
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I vote for the man who shows the intelligence to deal with the issues our country faces in a FAIR and hopefully non-partisan way.
So in other words, if you like them you will vote for them? So is it more of a popularity contest and the winner gets your vote? Or the person who can give the best speech gets your vote?

Don't you think it's more reasonable and responsible to vote for the person that is for and against certain issues that effect you in your daily life?

No, Ben.... not necessarily. I am part of only HALF of this country. Why should MY needs and desires be more important than those who see things differently? (like YOU!) I am not "all about ME." I am not part of the "me first.... you eat cake" crowd!

I believe this country is about equally divided on many issues. I WISH that weren't so, but it is true. But, I have a real problem with politics as they are today, in that those in power take care of THEIR own, to the detriment of the other half of the country.

This is ONE reason why I DO have some leanings toward McCain. I believe that he HAS shown some "centrist" positions if not values.

But, what it takes to BE that kind of centrist or moderate leader, is a willingness to accomodate the other party. I have not seen that in Bush for the last 8 years. I SAW it in Clinton and Reagan.

I like "speeches" from candidates that talk to me, and explain their positions and how and why they differ with the opposition party, and how they HOPE to satisfy ALL Americans with their decisions and leadership. This takes enormous intelligence and dedication to the Constitution and the differences in the public agenda. It is all too easy to make partisan speeches that rally the lemmings of either party. And there are PLENTY of them out there (of both parties) who only want that "red meat." :roll:

I make no apologies for claiming that the leader of this great nation, and arguably the free world, should be a man of extreme intelligence and understanding. I want a leader who understands the problems of ALL Americans, not just those of his party, or the "privileged few."

It is not a popularity issue with me. No more than it is a "party line" issue with me. I am more than willing to discuss give and take on ALL issues! But, it takes a man who is not bought and paid for to DO that! For what it's worth, I don't believe McCain IS so indebted to his base, and I HOPE and believe that Obama is not either.

So, you and others on this board can put away your paint brush when it comes to me and my beliefs! And I suggest you question your OWN dogmatic adherence to party line politics!

What does it say about Republicans when they were MORE than laxidasical about voting for McCain because he didn't support ALL their party views, but then got "energized" when he selected a VP who staunchly supported and represented those beliefs?

And for that matter, what does it say about the women of this country who would sacrifice personal beliefs for the chance to break that 'glass ceiling?'

Those are two diaposed paradigms, both showing "popularity" motivations. I have shown no such tendency.

Do not confuse my defense of EITHER candidate as support for him. I am still quite undecided at this point. I listened intently to McCain's acceptance speech last week. And although, I don't believe I would vote for him BECAUSE he was a POW, I DID appreciate how his experience molded his character. I AM a veteran of the Armed Forces, and although I never had to endure his struggle, I trained extensively (moreso than he did) for the possible eventuality. I HONOR his service AND his representation of the U.S. military during his horrible ordeal!

McCain has admitted that he was at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy. I wonder if his family standing had anything to do with how he even got "apponted" to it. Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar! The differences in their speeches and grasp of policies is astounding.

The nation elected Reagan largely on his ability to "communicate." So, they saw the same things I did. It's not about popularity. It's about communication..... and intelligence.

Dubya had neither, and although he RAN on a platform of uniting, he has been the most devisive president in history! Not only at home.... but abroad!

I don't believe America can stand another administration LIKE his! But, I am not saying that McPalin would BE such! Only that I believe ObamBiden would NOT be!
 
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Originally Posted by marylandkw
Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
NEWS FLASH: JOHN MCCAIN CALLS HILLARY CLINTON A PIG!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR8Ih...eature=related


Any questions? :roll:
Youtube is a left wing liberal website slanted to only help democrats. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I thought that was Snopes.........
 

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