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Fredog · #41 09-01-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sealord

It's not about Bush, think NAFTA and former President Clinton. He's the one who signed off on NAFTA. Maybe the Mexican grown fruit and vegetables will be cheaper now. Some Cali growers have already moved south. BOL

AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT MANY TIMES, IT WAS BUSH SENIOR.... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PackRatTDI · #42 09-01-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredog

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Originally Posted by Sealord

It's not about Bush, think NAFTA and former President Clinton. He's the one who signed off on NAFTA. Maybe the Mexican grown fruit and vegetables will be cheaper now. Some Cali growers have already moved south. BOL

AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT MANY TIMES, IT WAS BUSH SENIOR.... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he's correct. All Bush Sr. did was sign the "agreement to agree". NAFTA had no power until it was ratified by the legislature, something Clinton campaigned and pushed for. Had it not been for Clinton, NAFTA probably wouldn't have been ratified.

Get YOUR facts straight.

PackRatTDI · #43 09-01-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by greg3564

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer

Really, I dont see too many americans against this. The only thing I see is quite a bit of the conspiracy theory crowd making a lot of noise. Even on this board full of truck drivers, maybe 50% are against this.
Reading the facts about this plan instead of the conspiracy websites, it doesnt look like a bad idea. You hear people say things like "this is only going to make the corporations money". Well corporations are owned by the american people...the stock holders. Most people in this country invest. So if the corporations are making more money, most people are making more money.
I dont really see the difference between this and when we started allowing Canadian drivers do the same thing.
I agree, if you are a driver and almost all your freight that you pick up is at the border, this might hurt you. Otherwise, you arent going to even notice. Just like when Canadians started doing the same thing.

Maybe 50% against it? Check the results! 78% against it, and 22% for it, including you, and you're NOT a driver. That's how accurate your information is.
Distorting the facts, as always, eh? :wink:

And where are you getting YOUR results?

This poll is from April on Consumer Reports website.

A new poll released by the groups today and conducted by the nonpartisan Lake Research Partners found that a majority of Americans (56 percent) believe the Bush administration's plan to allow Mexico-domiciled trucks to travel outside the current commercial zone and throughout the United States is dangerous.

Majority agreement that this is dangerous for U.S. drivers transcends gender, age, political identification and region. Notably, self-identified independents (60 percent) are most likely to agree that the Bush proposal is dangerous, though majorities of Democrats (54 percent) and Republicans (58 percent) concur.

That's a lot different than "78%".

Fredog · #44 09-01-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by Fredog

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Originally Posted by Sealord

It's not about Bush, think NAFTA and former President Clinton. He's the one who signed off on NAFTA. Maybe the Mexican grown fruit and vegetables will be cheaper now. Some Cali growers have already moved south. BOL

AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT MANY TIMES, IT WAS BUSH SENIOR.... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he's correct. All Bush Sr. did was sign the "agreement to agree". NAFTA had no power until it was ratified by the legislature, something Clinton campaigned and pushed for. Had it not been for Clinton, NAFTA probably wouldn't have been ratified.

Get YOUR facts straight.

not quite true, Bush pushed for it and left it with Clinton, then Clinton followed through. Bush senior is still responsible for it. any president would probably have signed it after BUSH started it.

PackRatTDI · #45 09-01-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredog

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by Fredog

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Originally Posted by Sealord

It's not about Bush, think NAFTA and former President Clinton. He's the one who signed off on NAFTA. Maybe the Mexican grown fruit and vegetables will be cheaper now. Some Cali growers have already moved south. BOL

AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT MANY TIMES, IT WAS BUSH SENIOR.... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he's correct. All Bush Sr. did was sign the "agreement to agree". NAFTA had no power until it was ratified by the legislature, something Clinton campaigned and pushed for. Had it not been for Clinton, NAFTA probably wouldn't have been ratified.

Get YOUR facts straight.

not quite true, Bush pushed for it and left it with Clinton, then Clinton followed through. Bush senior is still responsible for it. any president would probably have signed it after BUSH started it.

Exactly true. Do some research.

greg3564 · #46 09-01-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by greg3564

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by continental

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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer

Really, I dont see too many americans against this. The only thing I see is quite a bit of the conspiracy theory crowd making a lot of noise. Even on this board full of truck drivers, maybe 50% are against this.
Reading the facts about this plan instead of the conspiracy websites, it doesnt look like a bad idea. You hear people say things like "this is only going to make the corporations money". Well corporations are owned by the american people...the stock holders. Most people in this country invest. So if the corporations are making more money, most people are making more money.
I dont really see the difference between this and when we started allowing Canadian drivers do the same thing.
I agree, if you are a driver and almost all your freight that you pick up is at the border, this might hurt you. Otherwise, you arent going to even notice. Just like when Canadians started doing the same thing.

Maybe 50% against it? Check the results! 78% against it, and 22% for it, including you, and you're NOT a driver. That's how accurate your information is.
Distorting the facts, as always, eh? :wink:

And where are you getting YOUR results?

This poll is from April on Consumer Reports website.

A new poll released by the groups today and conducted by the nonpartisan Lake Research Partners found that a majority of Americans (56 percent) believe the Bush administration's plan to allow Mexico-domiciled trucks to travel outside the current commercial zone and throughout the United States is dangerous.

Majority agreement that this is dangerous for U.S. drivers transcends gender, age, political identification and region. Notably, self-identified independents (60 percent) are most likely to agree that the Bush proposal is dangerous, though majorities of Democrats (54 percent) and Republicans (58 percent) concur.

That's a lot different than "78%".

Continental was referring to the poll above. Sheepdancer made the remark that half the drivers on this board were for this Mexican project. Continental was pointing out it was 78 percent against.

PackRatTDI · #47 09-01-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by greg3564

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by greg3564

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by continental

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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer

Really, I dont see too many americans against this. The only thing I see is quite a bit of the conspiracy theory crowd making a lot of noise. Even on this board full of truck drivers, maybe 50% are against this.
Reading the facts about this plan instead of the conspiracy websites, it doesnt look like a bad idea. You hear people say things like "this is only going to make the corporations money". Well corporations are owned by the american people...the stock holders. Most people in this country invest. So if the corporations are making more money, most people are making more money.
I dont really see the difference between this and when we started allowing Canadian drivers do the same thing.
I agree, if you are a driver and almost all your freight that you pick up is at the border, this might hurt you. Otherwise, you arent going to even notice. Just like when Canadians started doing the same thing.

Maybe 50% against it? Check the results! 78% against it, and 22% for it, including you, and you're NOT a driver. That's how accurate your information is.
Distorting the facts, as always, eh? :wink:

And where are you getting YOUR results?

This poll is from April on Consumer Reports website.

A new poll released by the groups today and conducted by the nonpartisan Lake Research Partners found that a majority of Americans (56 percent) believe the Bush administration's plan to allow Mexico-domiciled trucks to travel outside the current commercial zone and throughout the United States is dangerous.

Majority agreement that this is dangerous for U.S. drivers transcends gender, age, political identification and region. Notably, self-identified independents (60 percent) are most likely to agree that the Bush proposal is dangerous, though majorities of Democrats (54 percent) and Republicans (58 percent) concur.

That's a lot different than "78%".

Continental was referring to the poll above. Sheepdancer made the remark that half the drivers on this board were for this Mexican project. Continental was pointing out it was 78 percent against.

31 people voting on this forum is hardly proof of anything. That's .25% of the forums registered users. A QUARTER of a percent!

There inlies the problem with "random sampling".

Fozzy · #48 09-01-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by Fredog

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Originally Posted by Sealord

It's not about Bush, think NAFTA and former President Clinton. He's the one who signed off on NAFTA. Maybe the Mexican grown fruit and vegetables will be cheaper now. Some Cali growers have already moved south. BOL

AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT MANY TIMES, IT WAS BUSH SENIOR.... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he's correct. All Bush Sr. did was sign the "agreement to agree". NAFTA had no power until it was ratified by the legislature, something Clinton campaigned and pushed for. Had it not been for Clinton, NAFTA probably wouldn't have been ratified.

Get YOUR facts straight.

And of course Al Gore broke the tie to get it in...

Fredog · #49 09-01-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fozzy

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Originally Posted by PackRatTDI

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Originally Posted by Fredog

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Originally Posted by Sealord

It's not about Bush, think NAFTA and former President Clinton. He's the one who signed off on NAFTA. Maybe the Mexican grown fruit and vegetables will be cheaper now. Some Cali growers have already moved south. BOL

AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT MANY TIMES, IT WAS BUSH SENIOR.... GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, he's correct. All Bush Sr. did was sign the "agreement to agree". NAFTA had no power until it was ratified by the legislature, something Clinton campaigned and pushed for. Had it not been for Clinton, NAFTA probably wouldn't have been ratified.

Get YOUR facts straight.

And of course Al Gore broke the tie to get it in...

I think it would have passed, no matter who was president, we were destined to have it shoved down our throats. certainly, the buffoon who is president now would have signed it since it was his daddys idea and he loves illegals..

continental · #50 09-02-2007, 03:31 AM

READ HIS POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Even on THIS BOARD full of truck drivers, maybe 50%............ :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Just the automatic reply from the Company Men. :roll:

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