View Poll Results: Do you support the NAFTA Open Border for Mexican Drivers?
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17.39%
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OK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which poll is NOT random sampling?
DUH!!!!!!!!! :?
 
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Originally Posted by continental
OK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which poll is NOT random sampling?
DUH!!!!!!!!! :?
How about one with a little more of an objective polling group?
 
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Originally Posted by continental
OK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which poll is NOT random sampling?
DUH!!!!!!!!! :?
How about one with a little more of an objective polling group?
Well the one from Consumer Reports shows 56 percent of Americans are opposed to the Mexican project should suffice. Here it is again-

A new poll released by the groups today and conducted by the nonpartisan Lake Research Partners found that a majority of Americans (56 percent) believe the Bush administration's plan to allow Mexico-domiciled trucks to travel outside the current commercial zone and throughout the United States is dangerous.

Majority agreement that this is dangerous for U.S. drivers transcends gender, age, political identification and region. Notably, self-identified independents (60 percent) are most likely to agree that the Bush proposal is dangerous, though majorities of Democrats (54 percent) and Republicans (58 percent) concur.
 
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Hmmmmmm... :roll: Where do you find this objective polling group?
Can you actually be objective? I'm really not trying to pick a fight here,
but isn't objective ignorant? How can you be objective of something that
has an impact on you? Convince me, I have an open mind!
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BTW, last I've checked, 56% was a majority. :lol:
 
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Originally Posted by continental
BTW, last I've checked, 56% was a majority. :lol:
Some people are in total denial when it comes to how badly this is going to hurt our industry. Every single load coming and going from Laredo will be driven by Mexican drivers now. Drivers that have no log book until they enter the US. Drivers that have been going for 12 hours in Mexico and gets a start fresh at the border, because he tells the inspectors he's been resting in his sleeper for the last 12 hours. You can bet there's no one on the Mexican side checking hours. And if there were, all you'd have to do is pay him off like any other cop in Mexico.

But just wait, there will be a massive accident that kills someone in the US by one of these guys. And all hell will break loose and those same people who kept their heads in the sand will be screaming for congressional hearings and filing lawsuits.
 
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Originally Posted by greg3564
Originally Posted by continental
BTW, last I've checked, 56% was a majority. :lol:
Some people are in total denial when it comes to how badly this is going to hurt our industry. Every single load coming and going from Laredo will be driven by Mexican drivers now. Drivers that have no log book until they enter the US. Drivers that have been going for 12 hours in Mexico and gets a start fresh at the border, because he tells the inspectors he's been resting in his sleeper for the last 12 hours. You can bet there's no one on the Mexican side checking hours. And if there were, all you'd have to do is pay him off like any other cop in Mexico.

But just wait, there will be a massive accident that kills someone in the US by one of these guys. And all hell will break loose and those same people who kept their heads in the sand will be screaming for congressional hearings and filing lawsuits.
Actually, there are HOS in Mexico.

From another forum:

In March 2000, the Mexican government amended its regulations to require the use of records of duty status (RODS) or logbooks by all drivers working for motor carriers authorized to operate on Federal roads in Mexico.

Prior to the 2000 amendment, RODS were only required of drivers transporting hazardous materials.

The minimum information that must be recorded in the RODS is as follows:

1. The motor carrier’s name and address;
2. Motor carrier service classification;
3. Vehicle make/year/license plate tag;
4. RODS completion date;
5. Driver name;
6. Driver license number and expiration date;
7. Origin/destination/route;
8. Hours for departure/arrival/driving/ on-duty without driving;
9. Exception cases when driver may exceed hour-of-service limits; and,
10. Driver and carrier representative signatures.

Under Mexican labor law, drivers daily hours of service are limited to 8 hours for the day shift (6 a.m.–8 p.m.), 7 hours for the night shift (8 p.m.–6 a.m.) and 7.5 hours for a mixed shift.

During a continuous work day, workers must rest for at least one half hour and if the worker cannot leave the workplace for rest or meal breaks, the corresponding time must be counted as part of the hours of service. Drivers may accumulate daily overtime of up to three hours, but only three times a week (maximum 9 hours per week total). Drivers must be paid double their hourly rate for overtime.

DGAF and General Directorship of Protection and Preventive Medicine in Transportation (DGPMPT) inspectors, with the assistance of the Federal Preventive Police (PFP), enforce
Mexico’s driver hours-of-service logbook regulations. Drivers are required to carry the hours of service logbooks for the last seven days.

DGPMPT physicians inspect drivers for fatigue symptoms at terminals and the roadside. At the carrier site, DGAF inspectors audit carrier drivers’ logbooks for the last 60 days during a carrier compliance review.

Mexico-domiciled drivers operating in the U.S. must be able to produce upon the demand of a Federal or State enforcement official, an up-to-date record of duty status (RODS) or ‘‘log book’’ that accounts for the duty status for the current day, and the previous 7
days, unless the driver is covered by the 100 air-mile radius exception under 49 CFR 395.1(e)(1), an exception that applies to drivers of all carriers, foreign and domestic.

The RODS must cover the required time periods even if the driver was operating in Mexico during those periods. Federal and State enforcement personnel inspect the RODS during roadside inspections, including inspections at ports of entry, and during on-site reviews at motor carriers’ facilities.
 
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Originally Posted by continental
BTW, last I've checked, 56% was a majority. :lol:
When you are talking about the general public polls on this, THEY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about the topic at hand! They are reacting to the words Mexican trucks and the media hysteria and sensational reporting of the press. When you are polling an internet discussion board full of people in the community, your not much further away from the hysterics of the general public.
 
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Has any body thought about this, all these drivers coming north are gonna have to be english speakers because we do not use the International road signs which are symbol based and used all over the world except the US and Australia(I think). A majority of our signs are written like MERGE LEFT, SHOULDER CLOSED,and .....so on. Also Mexico uses metrics and not our foot and lbs unless I am mistaken. Drove for 20 years in Europe and lots of American tourists have gotten theirselves into serious trouble because of their ignorance of the international road signs. My German wife really had to watch it when she got here because she was still learning English and some of our signs can be pretty confusing for someone who doesnt speak the language.
 
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Originally Posted by Fozzy
Originally Posted by continental
BTW, last I've checked, 56% was a majority. :lol:
When you are talking about the general public polls on this, THEY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about the topic at hand! They are reacting to the words Mexican trucks and the media hysteria and sensational reporting of the press. When you are polling an internet discussion board full of people in the community, your not much further away from the hysterics of the general public.
How could you possibly know what people know or dont know? some may have studied it thoroughly and some may not know a thing, your blanket statement that THEY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING is just an opinion, why would you be the only one who knows anything? do you have an inside lead? or are you just smarter than everyone else?
 

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