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#41
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Ok Aligator, We know what you think of any mainstream religion and the Bible! What is Your take or opinion, or belief on God?
I am not sure if he is aware of his existance, but I feel certain that he is not aware of mine even though I am part of him. God could not exist without life because he is the essense of life - both the cause and the effect. God did not create heaven and earth. He has evolved - indeed, is evolving - within laws of the universe which we do not understand and will never understand as long as we persist with the silliness that passes for religion today. God does not need to be worshipped, prayed to or even acknowleged. The Bible has no more to do with god than Greek Mythology did. You are to god, as the cells of your body are to you. You may no more be separated from god than a wave can be separated from the ocean. Praying to god is silliness to the extreme. We should be looking within and reaching out to one another - not to a third party. Life - (your life, my life) - never ends. And it never began. You have always been, only in smaller - infinately smaller - measure. And you will always be - only in larger measure. Peace, be still. Put down your bibles and know what you know. As you and god evolve you will become increasingly aware of your power and as you become aware you will serve god - and life - as a whole. Your power, I'm saying, not god's....so stop "turning to him" and reach within.
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#42
Originally Posted by Aligator
Ok Aligator, We know what you think of any mainstream religion and the Bible! What is Your take or opinion, or belief on God?
God is the engine that powers us. He is the facilitator who enables communication, emotion and life itself.
I am not sure if he is aware of his existance, but I feel certain that he is not aware of mine even though I am part of him. God could not exist without life because he is the essense of life - both the cause and the effect. God did not create heaven and earth. He has evolved - indeed, is evolving - within laws of the universe which we do not understand and will never understand as long as we persist with the silliness that passes for religion today. God does not need to be worshipped, prayed to or even acknowleged. The Bible has no more to do with god than Greek Mythology did. You are to god, as the cells of your body are to you. You may no more be separated from god than a wave can be separated from the ocean. Praying to god is silliness to the extreme. We should be looking within and reaching out to one another - not to a third party. Life - (your life, my life) - never ends. And it never began. You have always been, only in smaller - infinately smaller - measure. And you will always be - only in larger measure. Peace, be still. Put down your bibles and know what you know. As you and god evolve you will become increasingly aware of your power and as you become aware you will serve god - and life - as a whole. Your power, I'm saying, not god's....so stop "turning to him" and reach within. I am not mocking you! This sounds to me like you are your own God! Having a form of godliness--but denying the Power of the Creator! Hmm, to each his own! God is in everything The Word of God is what holds it all together, and Nothing that was made, was made without the Word of God. And these things where made from the things we cannot see, Calling things into being out of nothing! In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, The Word became FLESH and dwelt amongst men.
God did not create heaven and earth. He has evolved - indeed, is evolving - within laws of the universe
In order to have Laws you have to have a Law Giver, Thus He works withing His own laws, and He has to be aware of Himself, otherwise, creation would not exist and then Niether would you or I. As for Him Knowing you-- Yes, He knew you before He created you! God is the engine that powers us. He is the facilitator who enables communication, emotion and life itself.
God does not need to be worshipped, prayed to or even acknowleged.
The Jews did not enter the Gods Rest, because of Unbelief, Lucifer fell because of Unbelief wich produced Pride. Man fell because of Unbelief! Solomon tells us the whole duty of man, is to love God and keep His commandments. Which are not grevious, for The Word which became flesh told us that His commandment is to Love your God, and Love your Neibor, for in this is the whole of the Law. All of creation except for those with free will, declare the Glory of God! SO pick up your bible, and learn what you don't know!!
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In order to have Laws you have to have a Law Giver
Why make somthing without enjoing it?
But you're not going to understand my image of god any more than I'm going to understand yours.....You did ask.....
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#45
Originally Posted by Aligator
In order to have Laws you have to have a Law Giver
Not true, but that line of thinking is consistant with your religious beliefs, which center around dichotomous logic - that everything must have either an opposite or a "controller". Some things do not have an opposite and some laws do not have a law-giver. I can give some examples if you like.
Why make somthing without enjoing it?
But you're not going to understand my image of god any more than I'm going to understand yours.....You did ask.....
dichotomous
But you're not going to understand my image of god any more than I'm going to understand yours.....You did ask.....
I understand it, I just do not agree with it! and yes I did ask, and thank you for ansering me. 8)
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dichotomous
What does that word mean? There is heat. But there is no opposite of heat. Nothing emits cold, only less heat. Scientists can calculate what the temperature would be if all the heat could be removed from an object (absolute zero) but they know that all the heat may not be removed from anything because to do so would take more energy than there is in the universe. So heat has no opposite. So if god is more like heat (NO! I didn't say "God is heat") then god need not have a counterpart. And I believe that is the case.......see? PS......light also has no counterpart. It is always present even if we can't see it. Even inside a lead lined cannonball hidden on the far side of Pluto.
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#47
Originally Posted by Aligator
dichotomous
What does that word mean? There is heat. But there is no opposite of heat. Nothing emits cold, only less heat. Scientists can calculate what the temperature would be if all the heat could be removed from an object (absolute zero) but they know that all the heat may not be removed from anything because to do so would take more energy than there is in the universe. So heat has no opposite. So if god is more like heat (NO! I didn't say "God is heat") then god need not have a counterpart. And I believe that is the case.......see? PS......light also has no counterpart. It is always present even if we can't see it. Even inside a lead lined cannonball hidden on the far side of Pluto. Mind you I am no scientific scholor or anything of that sort.
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On the other hand isn't everything made of a Positive and a Negative?
Positive and negative are easy to understand, so I think a lot of people jump on that concept and stick to it without giving it much thought. Heaven and hell come to mind as an example, but I don't believe in those things. You, for example, very likely believe in an unending positive - that of life itself. You very likely believe that you were created at some finite period in time and will go on existing forever; "life everlasting". To me, that doesn't make sense. I believe that in order for a life to never end - a concept that I accept - I must believe that it never began; that it has existed forever. And that forms one of the keystones of my personal belief system.
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You, for example, very likely believe in an unending positive - that of life itself. You very likely believe that you were created at some finite period in time and will go on existing forever; "life everlasting".
Yes I believe I was created in the mind of God in the beginning, and yes everlasting life through grace from my creator.
To me, that doesn't make sense.
I believe that in order for a life to never end - a concept that I accept - I must believe that it never began; that it has existed forever. And that forms one of the keystones of my personal belief system.
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Because god, in my model, has no ego.
There is heat. But there is no opposite of heat. Nothing emits cold, only less heat. Scientists can calculate what the temperature would be if all the heat could be removed from an object (absolute zero) but they know that all the heat may not be removed from anything because to do so would take more energy than there is in the universe. So heat has no opposite.
Likewise, the fact that absolute zero exists shows that cold is finite, while heat is not (there is no "absolute heat" that I'm aware of.) Extrapolating the above argument to metaphysics, is not Satan the opposite of God because he destroys souls rather than creates them? In Christian theology God -- the creator of all things (including evolution :wink -- is restrained by nothing and is therefore infinite, while Satan, who is restrained by God (when it suits him), is therefore finite.Perhaps the phrase "Cold as Hell" is not the oxymoron it first appears to be? :shock:
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