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#11
I was called into my TM's office Friday and was told that I have an 80% compliance rate with my logs, he wants 100%. I guess I'm going to have to Flag all the Bathroom breaks, lunch breaks etc. I usually just subtract 15 to 30min from my log each night for random things. I always log fuel, PTI, shipper, consignee etc.
Guess I'm just going to have to log every single thing I do.
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I was called into my TM's office Friday and was told that I have an 80% compliance rate with my logs, he wants 100%. I guess I'm going to have to Flag all the Bathroom breaks, lunch breaks etc. I usually just subtract 15 to 30min from my log each night for random things. I always log fuel, PTI, shipper, consignee etc.
Guess I'm just going to have to log every single thing I do. I save every minute possible on my 70-hour, especially at shipper/consignee's - .25 IN, Sleeper, .25 OUT. Rarely, do I show more than a half hour Line 4 at Shipper/Consignee. Of course this was back in the good ol days (Jan, Feb, March). Running 700-miles a week makes the whole logging issue moot! Again, I say rip out the OBC's and give us $30 bucks a month for "communication" reimbursements. We then go get throw-away cell phones. Anyways, it would be nice to hear 'how' they busted you.
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#13
Bottom line....if you have a qualcom or geologic system in your truck, or any other system that is or records your location based on coordinates vs time hack....your logs will need to be squeaky clean...or you might want to post a forwarding address to the correctional facility where you reside.....
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#14
You would be wrong about that, I already posted the explanation why on the other thread discussing this same thing.
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The truckstop stories you hear may good chatter on the CB. But, companies spend millions of dollars on these systems, and again they are deadly accurate.
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#16
Again sir, I have programmed them, you are wrong.
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#17
so of note is that though GPS technology has come a long way in the last 20 years, it still has issues. Though it is rare, the government does shutdown the satellites from time to time, or limit them, for purposes of maintenance, realignment, and military exercises, and they usually do it with little to know warning. Also solar flare activity can and does interfere, as well as natural magnetic field activity, and man made interference.
You don't always notice these anomalies while driving down the road simply because consumer GPS devices such as navigation systems, use special subroutines to guesstimate actual location when a signal is not as it should be, but that requires the GPS to be on and tracking for a time period to have the proper data to do that. If you just processed raw GPS signals and had it represented on a map, it would be bouncing all over the place within a 1 mile radius of where you are really sitting, and if any of the above mentioned anomalies are going on, that bounce can go as far as a couple hundred miles! I know this because I have done programming with GPS systems before, and I had to learn how to code the subroutines that 'stabilize' the signal to give more accurate result. So the real problem here, is if the location is only being recorded every 'x' amount of minutes, the GPS is not 'stabilized' and can give very erratic results. Even if it was say every 15 minutes, it will still usually be accurate to within about 20 feet, BUT you will get those anomalies from time to time that will show you being 200 miles away from where you are, which I would venture to say could happen probably every 100 'pings' or so, but that could vary widely based on where you are, solar flare conditions, etc. Honestly I do not forsee too many issues with accuracy, but they will occur.
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#18
I don't think I was busted technically. He just told me the deal about how they are starting to match our logs with the QC. I'm pretty sure everyone has to go in and talk with our TM in Atlanta. They are watching us very closely and from now on I will be 100% compliant.
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I stand by my original comment that anecdotal evidence to the contrary is not going to hold water when your log doesn't match the GPS. And yes, we have all heard about the driver getting dinged because the log auditing program didn't recognize different time zones. These rare exceptions are subject to "upon further review, we aren't going to fire your sorry butt." GPS is here to stay, by any statistical measure it is deadly accurate. Like any other mechanical device or technology it will have an occasional glitch. But, like it or not it is the Measuring Stick. If you can't work within them parameters, then you better find one of the 6 truck companies that don't use the technology. Next will be full OBC's that record every possible parameter of the truck's operation - just like in commercial aircraft. Bring on the electronic logs that automatically put me on line 3 when the brakes are released, and a pressure sensitive mattress that puts me on line 2. My only challenge now is juggling the 7th and 8th minute. Heck you can shave an easy hour a day by juggling your starts and stops using the 7/8 technique!
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I don't understand your point. You can only use the "dang sunspots acting up again" excuse so many times.
I stand by my original comment that anecdotal evidence to the contrary is not going to hold water when your log doesn't match the GPS. And yes, we have all heard about the driver getting dinged because the log auditing program didn't recognize different time zones. These rare exceptions are subject to "upon further review, we aren't going to fire your sorry butt." GPS is here to stay, by any statistical measure it is deadly accurate. Like any other mechanical device or technology it will have an occasional glitch. But, like it or not it is the Measuring Stick. If you can't work within them parameters, then you better find one of the 6 truck companies that don't use the technology. Next will be full OBC's that record every possible parameter of the truck's operation - just like in commercial aircraft. Bring on the electronic logs that automatically put me on line 3 when the brakes are released, and a pressure sensitive mattress that puts me on line 2. My only challenge now is juggling the 7th and 8th minute. Heck you can shave an easy hour a day by juggling your starts and stops using the 7/8 technique! When I was with swift, they have it programmed into the QC that you cannot send a Macro for arriving at shipper/consignee unless you are within a certain distance, I would say about 30% of the time, I had to send my DM either a QC message or call him to do it for me because the stupid system would not recognize me being there, and his usual response would be, "The system says you are 100 miles away", and that is not exaggerated, it ranged anywhere from 1 mile away to 500 miles away one time. Sorry, but that is NOT accurate enough to really enforce the concept. I remember the funniest time was I was delivering to Florida, and the QC showed me being in the middle of the gulf! Now they could make them more accurate if they wanted too however, and I suspect that with this new enforcement method, the device manufacturers will now incorporate a lot of the techniques used by navigational GPS devices. BTW if you don't believe that solar flares effects technology, I have seen my own navigation GPS tell me I was 150 miles away and trying to route me from there during a fairly minor solar flare about a year ago. Not that long ago a solar flare temporarily disabled a handful of satellites used for communications too.
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