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Walking Eagle..
I didn't hit the wrong key..but I will delete it if you don't understand what I am saying..It is complicated and a bit long..

[Walking Eagle]

Like I said, never bothered to do the "quote" thing but You! don't think you are paying for load insurance ????
"Every single broker takes a cut" Yes but they list it for what they will give to you not what they will give then take a %.
I get paid, less 1.5% 2 days after I send the paperwork in. I have built up a $50,000 escrow if whoever is billed doesn't pay in 180 days and they then deduct it till it is paid or I go get the piece of equiptment.
Yep I can prove the double brokered !!!!! Had a load about 5 months ago. I used to "sometimes" take other loads if Landstar couldn't load me. Got a load thru a Landstar broker who said "You have to call this other office that has it", called 'a special number' and in talking to the gal she said "Grant, is this you ?" Turnes out I was talking to a lady at Lonestar that I used to date

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by Walking Eagle

Duno how the quote thing works

If you are doing business with these people, you should.

Sure, the first listing agent is making money, that's what they are in business for, but then the Landstar agent is taking another 26% of that.

Again, if you deal with agents who do nothing but double broker, then you get what you deserve. The agents I deal with have actual customers.

Oh you don't have load insurance ???? Hmmmm, I just unloaded a load that was worth $4,295,000 I don't think I would have hauled it without someone underwriting it !

No, I don't have or need cargo insurance. If I owned my own trailer, I would not be getting my cargo insurance through Landstar.

Originally Posted by Walking Eagle

"Every single broker takes a cut" Yes but they list it for what they will give to you not what they will give then take a %.

That makes no sense whatsoever. Are you accusing agents of skimming off the top? Do you have any proof to back this claim up?

Yep I can prove the double brokered !!!!! Had a load about 5 months ago. I used to "sometimes" take other loads if Landstar couldn't load me. Got a load thru a Landstar broker who said "You have to call this other office that has it", called 'a special number' and in talking to the gal she said "Grant, is this you ?" Turnes out I was talking to a lady at Lonestar that I used to date

So you found one agent who double brokers. I'm still waiting for you to prove your 90% claim.....

[Walking Eagle]

Rev. if you are happy with LS stick with it !!! I was happy with Inway for a long time but then watched the best of the best go down hill :sad: I did the numbers and thought, then found out could do better by going on my own authority thru reputible brokers and some people I haul for direct. Each for his own.

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Double Brokering is an absolute Fact
It is annoying and I don't think it is illegal..however if I know a Broker is double brokering..I won't take the Brokers freight
That is one thing I like about Landstar..I don't have to do business with anyone I don't want to do business with..

I have been with Landstar for a Very Very Long Time..

[Walking Eagle]

I was to, with Inway . But to each his own. I made good $$$$ with Inway but then to my way of looking the % I took home started going down. This last April I took 3 weeks off and just sat with paperwork (well some of the time I fished ) and went over numbers. I looked at what I had printed out from other load boards and talked to friends who had the same loads (a lot of us HHaulers in FL. haul out of GE in Pensecola, and found I was running for about 28% less that them :sad: by running the Landstar board.

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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

Okay, you are throwing a lot of misinformation around here.

First of all, the only required insurance through Landstar is their bobtail insurance. $18.99 per week. Is it more expensive than can be found elsewhere? Sure. Is it that much money? Hell no.

Secondly, your claim of "getting the same load without having to give LS $1000 for a load" is completely unfounded. Every single broker on every single load board is taking money from the loads they broker. Just like Landstar. The difference is, with Landstar, you know exactly how much they are taking.

Thirdly, Landstar does not take months to bill a load. If there is an issue on your manifest paperwork, it is brought up during the same pay cycle that you sent it in. Since they pay on a weekly basis, that means it will happen within 7 days of sending it in. And the person who is processing your paperwork will call.

Fourthly, you are absolutely right that Landstar is anal about paperwork. Especially logs. If you sent in logs that don't conform to their standards (such as not putting "loaded" or "empty" in the shipping documents area), then it is your own fault that they took issue with it. Their procedures are very clear, and are all set forth during orientation. If you choose not to follow them, and want to do things your own way, then it is nobody's fault but your own.

Fifthly, your claim of 90% double brokered freight is also unfounded. Many shippers will call several brokers on a load, and then choose the one who comes in with the best price. Just because other brokers have the load listed, doesn't mean the load is double brokered. Does it happen? Absolutely. Can you prove your 90% claim? Not in a million years.

Secondly, your claim of "getting the same load without having to give LS $1000 for a load" is completely unfounded. Every single broker on every single load board is taking money from the loads they broker.

Just like Landstar. The difference is, with Landstar, you know exactly how much they are taking.

I (used to) wonder about that.
Often, you don't really know how they enter the money into the system. I believe that there are often loads that pay more than what the driver is shown.

Of course, this is not limited to Landstar. Just about any agent-based carrier will have this question.

One way to discover the facts of the matter, would be to take a COD load. Usually, the COD will match the load charge. If the COD is higher than you were told, the question begs...

If an agent is pretty busy, he might not catch his error. I know of a driver, at an agency based carrier, that ran into this very situation. He ran into a brick wall, trying to get his percentage of the money that was paid.

Just because a driver is told that the load pays $xx, doesn't mean that it doesn't in fact, pay $xxx.

[Rev.Vassago]

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I (used to) wonder about that.
Often, you don't really know how they enter the money into the system. I believe that there are often loads that pay more than what the driver is shown.

This cannot happen with the Landstar system. When a BCO accepts a load, that load is billed. Right then and there. It is assigned a load number by Landstar when the agent enters in the load information. Landstar then uses that information to base the available advance to the BCO off of. Landstar is the one who is billing the load, not the agent. If an agent were "skimming", then he would have to do it with the shippers knowledge and consent, because Landstar is the one paying the agent, not the shipper. The shipper would have to bypass Landstar and give money directly to the agent. Somehow, I just don't see shippers engaging in fraud this way, especially when it isn't helping them out.

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Originally Posted by Walking Eagle

Just have to do the math as to how Landstar brokers are ripping BCO's. Just recently I hauled a load from Laredo Tx. into Ca., the broker I went thru had it for $91,000. Out of that I paid $17,450 (for the Mexican that brought it to the border) $14,320 in permits. $4,200 escorts, $4000 for a route survey and $5500 for police escorts in Ca. The landstar agent had it listed for $82,000 and then was going to take 26% off that !!
Hmmmm I would have done it for $60,680 for Landstar and still have had all the other charges :sad:

Was that the 160,000 pounder you did, recently?

Do you have your own authority?
I was thinking you were a current Landstar driver...

FWIW, ain't no way I would have Landstar on my door...

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Walker
I was with Landstar for a couple of years before I noticed ..double brokering...
Does anyone really believe that for the past 20 years the freight out of one agency has been $1.35 per mile..on every single load...and that is what every single shipper has paid for that freight?
But that Agency is a multimillion dollar agency..and if it comes to the BCO who is going to bring in $100,000 dollars on one truck and a Agency who is bringing in Millions..Will Landstar do anything about it?
Landstar Hasn't and I am not sure what Landstar can do about it..I don't think it is illegal..