Do you know Jeff or Brian from a hole in the ground?

 

No I don't but I know were he works (Federal Motor Carriers Safety Administration In Bismark North Dakota) and it is his job to correctly answer questions.

From what I gather, you are a smart arse remarking know it all that is an O/O. Basically another steering wheel holder that has no fear as long as he is behind a key board or on the other end of a radio.

 

Is this the first call or the second one? The one where they gave you FALSE information? Or, where they finally explained it correctly?

Just because reseting gets you moving quicker than waiting till day 9, STILL does not make it MANDATORY. The word mandatory really has no place in this entire discussion.

UNLESS you don't USE all 7 or 8 of those hours, in which case, you would have MORE than the 13 on day 10. There are still, and always, other calculations involved. It is not as simple as just looking back 8 days and assuming you have exactly THAT many hours to use the next day.

I STILL wouldn't combine the words "required" and "or," but basically this is correct.

Which is what all of us "stoopid truckers" have been saying! :wink:

There is no such thing as NOT having available hours to WORK. You could actually WORK some hours while waiting for day 9. You just can't DRIVE until the hours you get back exceed the hours you are OVER on your 70.

Wrong. Better make another phone call! :lol:

Wrong. Are you saving up enough nickels for all these phone calls?

Wrong. Here's an example... You start at midnight with a full clock. You drive 5, take a 2 hour break, then drive 6. It's now 1 p.m. You need another 8 at LEAST before you can DRIVE.... but let's say you're one of the "local wusses" that instead unload their own truck and then 2 or 3 OTHER trucks! You work the docks from 1 p.m. until 8 p.m. and then crawl in your sleeper to complete your break. However, now your 8 hour S/B doesn't end until 4 a.m the next day. Within the 24 hours from your starting time, you only were OFF duty a total of 6 hours! AND.... you "worked" a total of 18 hours in that 24 hour period!


You REALLY should proofread your posts if they are intended to ACCURATELY discuss HOS. The correct wording is "more than 8, but less than 10" This is because IF you take 10 consecutive.... you are not splitting. Oh yeah.... there is ALSO the requirement that the OTHER break be NO LESS than 2 consecutive hours on either line 1 or 2. You could take ONE 8 hour S/B break and TWO other breaks of 1.75 hours each and STILL be in violation.

Okay, sorry.... I wan't thinking clearly! It is possible. However...
What if you deliver your load, and run out of your 70, at 6 a.m?? You can start Driving again at 4 p.m on the second day. A NIGHT is generally defined as that DARK part of the 24 hour clock! So, in this case, you would have nearly TWO DAYS off, and only ONE NIGHT. Furthermore.... there is no requirement that you SLEEP for two 10 hour periods during the reset. You can spend the WHOLE 34 hours in the truckstop LEARNING the regs from those who know them, if you wanted to! :wink:

Did you click on the guidance and interpretations sections of whatever reg you were reading? I think they do a pretty good job with this reg, especially since, as the REV says..... it ain't ROCKET science. :roll:

Yes it does.

I DO agree that they could do a better job. They should hire ME. However, these regs ARE spelled out in greater detail in the manuals that your SAFETY department has. It is left up to THEM to do a better job of educting their drivers.

Actually.... as long as you do not DRIVE on any day that you then also go over 70 hours "working." But, let's not get into THAT one just yet. :lol:

 

Since obviously nobody here is qualified to answer questions (according to you), I'd suggest you go frequent the FMCSA message board. After they are finished laughing at your lack of knowledge of the regs, you may enjoy yourself more there.

It really amazes me how wrong someone can be on something so very simple. I have an excellent real-life example of the above scenario (something neither of those FMCSA pencil pushers has). Back when I was doing HHG, I got up at 5 am, did a 15 minute pretrip, then drove for 2 hours. At 7:15 AM, I went On Duty (not driving), and stayed on duty for the next 18 hours. At 1:15 AM, I went into the sleeper berth for 10 hours. Total hours on duty for a single 24 hour log sheet - 19. Total hours on duty in a 24 hour period - 20 1/4.

And yet I didn't violate the regs. Amazing.

 

Doesn't sound like you SHOWERED, either! :shock: :lol:

My "favorite" Safety Director blooper is...... "All time between 8 hour sleeper berth breaks cannot exceed 14 hours!" (when discussing split logging!" :lol: I 'busted' THAT one on another website spun off from this one before I even got out of CDL school! :roll: [RidgeRunner might remember.]

Another one I like to do, is take two 8 hour breaks about 7 hours apart, and have a DOT officer tell me I'm out of my 14 when I try to drive my remaining 4!! :wink:

That's obviously because you're a smart arse steeringwheelholder! :roll: :lol:

 

I have a 10 meter that I am usually not using, I could let you not use it when I am not not using it, but it gets a lot of not use, so it wouldnt be available for you to not use very often, but you are welcome to not use it when I am not not using it..

 

Ummmm.......No thank you?

 

A word of advice from "just another hole in the ground" ... read the regs and learn them yourself. I wouldn't trust any official any further than I could throw them. They can be, and often are, wrong. That is why tickets can get defeated ... if not, you would just pay your fine on the side of the road and be done with it. The courts are the final determinate of interpretations, not Bill, or Bob, or Jeff (unless their name is preceded with "Your Honour...". )

 

I had to go look ... there are some winners. :shock:

 

OK, so lets make sure here I got this crap right, ( Do I count the first day I start driving as day 1?) I drive Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,Monday( 8th day) and I am maxed out at 70 I get my hours back from Monday( 1st day) on my 9th day right? Or like I seen on here do I need to stop at 69.75 to do that? I know I dont have to take a 34 unless I use them up like my 6th day bacause it would be quicker to do it that way. My wife confused me and said I would'nt count the first day I drove would I and said hell I dont know so I count on you all for help.