Nope... mud is much clearer! I think I'll just take the full 10 and say the hell with it. Thats too much info for my wee brain to compute.

I was asking this because I was looking into going back OTR... this local sh*t doesnt pay worth a damn. I'm tired of being broke. Buying my own truck and leasing on to someone has also crossed my mind a lot lately.

 

A lot of people get in trouble by splitting their sleeper berth time. The problem comes in when they fail to take their entire sleeper break before maxing out on their driving or work hours. You MUST take the entire 10 hours, whether split or not, before you drive more than 11 hours or on duty for more than 14 hours. Starting out again, it would probably be safer to simply take the 10 hour break at one time.

 

I just applied to Beacon out of Nashville. A friend used to drive for them and he liked them... you know anything about them? (Sorry for hijackin the thread)

 

Rev.Vassago said:

Wrong again, Clyde! :roll: Breaking the cycle requires a full 10 hour consecutive break, but.... as ANY of them..... can be taken anywhere, or any combination of line 1 and/or line 2.

STILL wrong, and so far off base as to prove you have NO IDEA what you are talking about! :roll: It doesn't make much SENSE to take an 8 hour S/B break followed a few hours later by a full 10 hour "shutdown," but it is perfectly legal.

WHY do you insist on confusing the newbies??

The "caveat" of LESS THAN 10 HOURS is found in conjunction with wording concerning the 2 hour break and the 8 hour S/B break....

Because.... and ONLY because..... if it were MORE than 10 hours, it would no longer be part of a "split," but would qualify as a full 10 hour break, which would then reset your 11/14 hour clocks TOTALLY, and they would no longer be contingent on the end of your previous break, and no driving hours prior to such a 10 hour break would THEN be counted against your new clocks! :roll: [in other words, it doesn't fit the "discussion" of split breaking!]

Oh, and BTW.... regardless of what you do on your second (or so-called smaller break,) an 8 hour S/B break is ALWAYS OFF THE CLOCK! Whether or not you meet the requirements of the split break or not..... an 8 hour S/B break is ALWAYS off the clock! If you fail to take the minimum 2 hour break at the proper time, you WILL get a violation, but that violation will occur at a point in time that is calculated with the 8 hour break OFF THE CLOCK! [I believe there is an example of this in the logbook section of the fmcsa website.]

This is correct, but it also applies to a scenario where you might take an 8 hour break first (OFF THE CLOCK) and then, instead of the 2 hour break needed, you ended up taking a full 10 hour (or more) break.

Only when YOU try to explain them! :roll:

You can "believe" what you want, but the purpose of the 8/2 split vs. the 5/5 split was due to medical evidence that the human body needed at least 7 hours of "resorative" rest at ONE TIME to avoid a compounding effect of sleep deprivation.

The FMCSA fought HARD to maintain SOME form of a split breaking system. They could have done away with it entirely. Personally, I find the new rules work very well for me in both getting the needed sleep AND giving me a way to "log off" 2 hours of the 10 for lunch or showers or whatever that DON'T come at the end of my day.

Now, before you fly off the handle and insist you are correct, I suggest you consult with Rawlco to confirm what I am saying. That way, there will be no need for this to go 10 pages full of insults. You can simply admit you are mistaken, and perhaps even LEARN something that might help you in your career.

 

No, it isn't. Let's look at the regs:

§395.1 Scope of rules in this part.

(g)(1)(ii)(A) The term “equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty” means a period of

(1) At least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours in a sleeper berth, and

(2) A separate period of at least 2 but less than 10 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth or off duty, or any combination thereof.



AS ANYONE WITH A BRAIN CAN PLAINLY SEE, each part of the split sleeper berth period MUST be less than 10 hours for it to count as part of the split sleeper berth break. :roll:

It most certainly does:

(g)(1)(ii)(C) Calculation of the 14-hour limit includes all time except any sleeper-berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours; compliance must be re-calculated from the end of the first of the two periods used to comply with the requirements of paragraph (g)(1)(ii)(A) of this section.[/b]

ONCE AGAIN, ANYONE WITH A BRAIN CAN SEE that the regs specifically state that for an 8 hour period to not count toward the 14 hour, it must be LESS than 10 hours.

Wrong again, kiddo. Time for you to shut up and go away.

Is Rawlco a representative of the FMCSA? The regs are once again clear. More than 8, less than 10. Otherwise it counts when splitting. :roll:

 

Rev.Vassago said:

Yes.... it IS. Just as you can interrupt your 70 hour rule at any time and take a 34 hr reset and start your calculations all over, you CAN interrupt a "split" logging at any time (within the properly calculated 14 hour window) by taking a break of 10 "consecutive" hours on either line 1 or 2. If you had taken an 8 hour sleeper berth break, it would STILL be off the clock (the logbook examples prove this) and NOW you are just "reseting" your 11/14 hour clocks by taking a full 10 hours off. This is considered "returning to driving subject to the normal limits" as defined here: [I call it breaking the split, for ease of understanding.]

Let's look at the regs:

This is true, but not what you said in your original post. It MUST be less than 10 hours to be considered part of "splitting" because, as anyone with a brain can see, if it were MORE than 10 hours, it would negate the split and totally reset your clocks! That's why I said that any break over 10 hours consecutive is not "part of the discussion" (of split logging.) see below.


Actually, what it says is..... for an 8 hour SLEEPER BERTH period to not count..... again, obviously because if it were 10 or more, it would reset your clocks and there would be no need to "exclude" it from the previous 14 hour calculation. :roll:

NO, I am not wrong. The logbook example (can't remember the # off the top of my head,) proves this. There is an example where the driver took an 8 hour S/B break followed a little later by a break of 1.75 hours IIRC. As a result of NOT meeting the requirements of the "split," he got both an 11 hour AND 14 hour violation. (IIRC) But look at the TIME that he got the 14 hour violation. It would ONLY occur at that specific time IF the 8 hour S/B break was still considered off the clock!

Maybe it is time for YOU to shut up and go away..... Kiddo! :roll:

You mean "otherwise it DOESN'T count when splitting" don't you? :wink:

 

Blah blah blah you know you are wrong. Just go back out on the road so I can have some peace and quiet. The person asking the question was answered several days ago, and was satisfied with the answer. Your drivel was not needed.

 

Neither was YOUR misinterpretation of the regs! I am not wrong. YOU are. And I'm SURE there are a few here that know it. Maybe, they will show up while I'm gone this week, and you will LEARN something. Maybe not. :roll:

 

No, it was the FMCSA interpretation of the regs. I've already discussed this with them at length back when the regs were changed, and they confirmed what I already stated: If you take the 8 hour break first, it must be combined with an additional break that is more than 2 hours, but less than 10 hours. That is the only way that the 14 hour clock stops, is if that 8 hour break is combined with an additional break of more than 2 hours, but less than 14 hours.

The only way that you can get the "equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty" is to take two breaks - and neither can be more than 10 hours. If you did not take two breaks, with neither being more than 10 hours, you did not get the "equivalent of at least 10 consecutive hours off duty" according to the FMCSA.

An 8 hour break and a 10 hour break combined do not meet the specifications listed by 395.1 (g)(1)(ii)(A).

Furthermore, for the 8 hour break to not count when splitting, it must be more than 8 hours but less than 10 hours:

If you take an 8 hour break, then take an additional 10 hour break, the first 8 hour break does not meet the requirements set forth by 395.1 (g)(1)(ii)(C).


Once again, golfhobo is proven wrong by the regs.

 

I don't recall hearing anything negative about them. I don't know if that is good or bad. :lol: They have a terminal in LaVergne, so you should be able to find some of their drivers or owner operators who can give you current information about them and how they like working for them. They should be somewhere around the TA if they are in LaVergne. You may even run into some of their drivers at the TA. Have you decided to buy or just driver for a carrier?