[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

We are just going in circles, and frankly, it's getting kind of boring.

Well.... I WOULD tell you to quit clicking on the thread.... but that would only make sense if "I" was arguing with Dawn! :lol: Let's not get mad at each other on THIS thread.... when we're making so much progress on the other! :lol:

That one always works well. :wink:

It was the lesser of two evils! I've been known to have a sharp tongue, and I had to bite it to keep from being too sarcastic! :lol:

I'm not trying to be your nemesis, Rev! I enjoy our debates. In fact, I have to fake it sometimes just to keep you on your toes. I'm not out to "pick apart" each of your posts. Usually you ARE "dead on accurate." But, occaissionally we disagree.... and, well.... you know how it goes! :lol:

Hey... at LEAST I speak English! :wink:

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

But, occaissionally we disagree.... and, well.... you know how it goes! :lol:

Yeah - we disagree when you are wrong. :lol:

Hey... at LEAST I speak English! :wink:

And you write it too................ fairly well. :wink:

[Dawn]

Originally Posted by Malaki86

I've never been questioned by the DOT as to whether I actually spent the entire 34hrs sitting in the sleeper. They know we're going to get out of the truck, walk into the truckstop for meals/shower/restroom.

I've also logged a 34hr restart as off-duty, even though I was in the sleeper. Again, never had it become an issue.

One last thing - For the life of me I still can't figure out how they came up with the 34hr restart. Why not 36, 40, or 48? It'd make more sense if it was in a 4hr increment.

It's kind of ironic I know, but I saw a DOT inspection come across my desk that said: Falsified log: "Drivers name" logged off duty while in sleeper.
Now my statement to everyone was the fact it is "unbeliveable" that you would NOT get out of the sleeper for 34 hours. I would have to agree. Now is there drivers out there who have EVERYTHING on their trucks, yes and all I tell drivers is if you log 34 hours in the sleeper (heck 18 hours in the sleeper) you "MIGHT" be questioned and you better be ready to explain. When you say no I got out and ate dinner or I went to the casino. That he can write you up and fine you for falsifying your logs.

In the drivers write up, I will be getting with him to ask him how the officer knew he was logging as such. But it is a fact and I am here to tell you that DOT WILL question you if you are in the sleeper for so many hours. If you again choose not to listen that is fine, but be prepared and make up your lie really quick and hope he/she was not watching what you was doing .

And no I will not submit a copy of this drivers write up! I could block out some information so hey maybe I will! :lol:

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by Dawn

yes and all I tell drivers is if you log 34 hours in the sleeper (heck 18 hours in the sleeper) you "MIGHT" be questioned and you better be ready to explain.

Originally Posted by Dawn

But it is a fact and I am here to tell you that DOT WILL question you if you are in the sleeper for so many hours.

So which is it? "Might" they question you, or "WILL" they question you? Since I've had many log book inspections, and have NEVER been questioned about a 34 hour sleeper berth all on the same line. Others have said the same thing.

Absolutes don't work here, Dawn. All DOT does not act the same, and all DOT officers don't do things the same way.

[bikerboy]

Originally Posted by Dawn

It's kind of ironic I know, but I saw a DOT inspection come across my desk that said: Falsified log: "Drivers name" logged off duty while in sleeper.
Now my statement to everyone was the fact it is "unbeliveable" that you would NOT get out of the sleeper for 34 hours. I would have to agree. Now is there drivers out there who have EVERYTHING on their trucks, yes and all I tell drivers is if you log 34 hours in the sleeper (heck 18 hours in the sleeper) you "MIGHT" be questioned and you better be ready to explain. When you say no I got out and ate dinner or I went to the casino. That he can write you up and fine you for falsifying your logs.

In the drivers write up, I will be getting with him to ask him how the officer knew he was logging as such. But it is a fact and I am here to tell you that DOT WILL question you if you are in the sleeper for so many hours. If you again choose not to listen that is fine, but be prepared and make up your lie really quick and hope he/she was not watching what you was doing .

And no I will not submit a copy of this drivers write up! I could block out some information so hey maybe I will! :lol:

Canada has a 36 hr reset! We also have 70 hours in 7 days cycle and 120 hours in 14 days cylce.

It must be noted on your log everyday, which cycle you are under, and 36 or 72 hours is required offduty, to switch cycles.
So if you run canada, but completed a 34 hr reset before entering canada, you might not be legal under canadian rules, you should have took a 36 hr reset before entering canada.
And we are allowed to drive 13 hrs per day, and must have 10 hours off per day.

[Dawn]

Originally Posted by bikerboy

Canada has a 36 hr reset! We also have 70 hours in 7 days cycle and 120 hours in 14 days cylce.

It must be noted on your log everyday, which cycle you are under, and 36 or 72 hours is required offduty, to switch cycles.
So if you run canada, but completed a 34 hr reset before entering canada, you might not be legal under canadian rules, you should have took a 36 hr reset before entering canada.
And we are allowed to drive 13 hrs per day, and must have 10 hours off per day.

I like your 10 hour breaks for the reason you can break up the 2 hour break in 4 increments of 30 minutes if you would like. I feel for you guys running in Cananda and US to know all those regulations, but I am sure once you get used to them it is great to have all those options.

[silvan]

Originally Posted by Uturn2001

Well first off, taking 34 hours on lines 3 and 4 will get you into a bunch of trouble fast. :P :P

I took 46 hours on line 3 one time, and then I had to eat my logbook.

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

So which is it? "Might" they question you, or "WILL" they question you?

What difference does it make? Either way, you are subject to being questioned. And since we are ALL here to help the noobies, it would not be wise to say, "they WON'T question you. That $500 fine is hard to swallow!

Since I've had many log book inspections, and have NEVER been questioned about a 34 hour sleeper berth all on the same line. Others have said the same thing.

And I've had ONE logbook inspection, and I WAS questioned about it. That pretty much makes Dawn's point, and makes YOURS moot.

Absolutes don't work here, Dawn. All DOT does not act the same, and all DOT officers don't do things the same way.

Which is ALL the more reason to take Dawn's advice.... and not YOURS. You've encountered what?..... .005% of ALL DOT officers? And NONE of THEM questioned your entry?

Are you MORE intent on disproving Dawn's "absolute statements" than giving accurate advice to noobies?

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Absolutely nothing of any value to the thread

Just sayin'.

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

Just sayin'.

I beg to differ. (And I noted the lack of the wink smilie.) If you'll start at the beginning and read the original question of the thread, and all posts that followed, (which you probably won't do,) you'll find that I contributed quite a bit to the thread, whereas YOU almost immediately and consistently spent your time attacking ME and then Dawn.

We're ALL aware of Dawn's deficiencies. And we're ALL aware of your animosity towards her. And we ALL are aware that you think that YOUR experiences are LAW and no one else is allowed to have suffered anything that YOU haven't experienced. But, there ONCE was a different reason for this forum.

As I've said before, I usually only engage when I see someone giving the wrong information. YOU have been guilty of that more than once. I'm sure that "I" have done so a time or two. But, I immediately corrected myself or accepted correction.

I'm not here to defend Dawn. But, as long as the bulk of YOUR posts have nothing to do with anything but putting her down, I don't think YOU'VE got the moral high ground on saying what does or does NOT add any VALUE to a thread.

If I understand it correctly, the bulk of YOUR advice on this thread is that one can log 34 hours in the sleeper if one wants to, and the DOT can't disprove it. Because it's never happened to YOU.

You have NOT proven that SOME of them won't question it. You even say that it should be logged in relation to what one does. So, how is THAT any differnent from what Dawn said? And aren't YOU also saying two different things?

The Noobie here doesn't CARE what you think of Dawn. Nor do they care if you want to hide away in a sleeper for 34 hours without "touching" the world. We're all probably SAFER if you DO!

But, I DO object to you "quoting" me by inserting your OWN commentary on what I said. Maybe, you don't understand what the word QUOTE means. You jumped me for changing the username of someone who has since been banned. I'd appreciate it if you'd apply the same "moral standards" to your quoting of me!

If you don't HAVE an answer to the questions I raise, or the comments I make, that's fine! We won't MISS your NON POST. But, if you continue to use the QUOTE function to make commentary on my posts, I think we will have a problem, even "IF" it's not a violation of the TOS.

Just sayin' :wink: