EXACTLY!! The rule that is supposed to make sure you are rested actually forces you to drive when you are tired, this country is being run by morons!! always has been, always will be

 

Unfortunately, it isn't the one that is right or makes the most sense who gets results. It is those who make the most noise.

 

Ain't that the truth.

I'm trying to organize a way in which the lot of us who know there is something downright wrong can raise hell...make noise...and set things right...HOS-wise.



stonefly

 

I looked over real good the FMCSA web page you posted, GMAN. There is a lot of valuable information there that can be of use to us. There is also a lot of information that could be valuable if it could be understood.

I, and others, have found some of the tables difficult to understand.

I started a thread on the OOIDA forum in order to encourage some discussion with regard to the study. I figured if we worked together on it, we could all understand exactly what is indicated by the study, so that it may be of maximum use to us.


stonefly

 

I think I figured this one out.

Table 57. Drivers of Large Trucks in Fatal Crashes by Driver-Related Factors and Violations Recorded


According to this table, compiled by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, drowsy, asleep, or fatigued drivers accounted for .8%, less than 1%, of recorded driver related factors in multiple-vehicle truck crash fatalities during the study period.



stonefly

 

Here is the link, again, to the FMCSA web site.

Tables and graphs related to fatal truck crashes.

If anyone has any questions with regard to the statistics provided on the web site, we could have a discussion here in an attempt to answer questions.

Because a discussion has already begun, on the OOIDA site, I listed a link to that discussion here, but the link appears to have disappeared from my post.

If it is inappropriate to place a link on this forum, to a discussion on another forum, strictly for educational purposes, I will refrain from doing so in the future.

Maybe I didn't post it correctly. Maybe that's why it isn't there. Perhaps someone may inform me whether or not it is alright to post a link to the OOIDA discussion.

In any case, we could still have a discussion here to answer questions. I know that I have questions regarding the study.



stonefly

 

NHTSA figures indicate that motorist deaths in passenger vehicles dropped 8.3% from 2005 to 2007.

According to the same NHTSA studies, motorist deaths in large trucks dropped .25%, less than a quarter of a percent, from 2005 to 2007.

2005-2006

2006-2007

2005 was the year that the feds disallowed the split sleeper berth provision and clock stops for naps. Whatever factors are involved in the general decline of highway fatalities appear to be annulled by something going on in the heavy truck sector of highway traffic.

It is not difficult to surmise that were truck drivers still allowed to split our bunk time and stop the clock when we took short sleep breaks, we might have witnessed a drop in truck driver fatalities commensurate with that enjoyed by the drivers of passenger vehicles.

There are other interesting numbers. The NHTSA report for 2006 and 2007 breaks heavy truck fatalities down into single vehicle crashes and multivehicle crashes.

For big trucks, truck driver fatalities in single vehicle truck crashes increased from 500 in 2006 to 502 in 2007.

For big trucks, truck driver fatalities in multivehicle fatalities decreased from 305 in 2006 to 300 in 2007.

Single vehicle truck driver fatalities could be resulting from crashes caused by some truck driver related factor, perhaps sleepiness. Truck driver fatalities in single vehicle big truck crashes increased.

Truck driver fatalities in multivehicle truck crashes could be resulting from factors related to the drivers of passenger vehicles. The truck driver fatalities in multivehicle crashes declined.

It is not unreasonable to draw from the NHTSA studies an inference that something is going on with highway traffic in general that is leading to a decline in highway deaths. Considering that truck driver fatalities declined in multivehicle crashes, one might infer that there are favorable factors in play which are causing the drivers of passenger vehicles to kill fewer people, including truck drivers.

Yet, in single vehicle truck crashes, truck driver fatalities are increasing. Perhaps it would not unreasonable to assume, from the NHTSA study, that there may be a correlation between the loss of the split sleeper berth provision and the increase in truck driver fatalities in single vehicle truck crashes.

If the removal of the split sleeper berth provision and clock stops for naps were to be considered part of the factors involved in decreasing highway deaths, then truck driver fatalities in single vehicle crashes should be expected to decrease as well. Truck driver fatalities in single vehicle truck crashes are however, increasing, while highway fatalities, in general, decline.



stonefly

 

The links you provided show a different story altogether. Between 2005-2006, the number of large truck deaths increased by 0.1%.(table 1) The number of large truck injuries decreased by 15%.(table 2)

Between 2006-2007, the number of large truck deaths decreased by 0.5%. The number of large truck injuries remained the same.(table 1)

Also, between 2006-2007, the TOTAL deaths caused by large trucks decreased by 4.4%. (Table 4).

The data clearly disagrees with you, stonefly. The lack of a split sleeper provision has not made the highways less safe. It's only taken money out of your pocket, due to your inability to adapt.

 

A increase from 500 to 502 is hardly justification for changing the split sleeper berth rules back, it is basically statistically negligable. Especially for one year.

And a one year increase would not be enough information to make such a change. It is my opionion that if you used have the energy that you are on this at adapting to current regs. you may find that you are much better off.

 

Where does Table 4 indicate that any deaths were caused by large trucks? In fact, Table 4 does not indicate anything of the kind.

Also, data cannot disagree with anyone. People can disagree with other people, but date are inanimate.

Read this:
There are other interesting numbers. The NHTSA report for 2006 and 2007 breaks heavy truck fatalities down into single vehicle crashes and multivehicle crashes.

For big trucks, truck driver fatalities in single vehicle truck crashes increased from 500 in 2006 to 502 in 2007. (Table 4)

For big trucks, truck driver fatalities in multivehicle fatalities decreased from 305 in 2006 to 300 in 2007. (Table 4)



stonefly