[mike3fan]

Originally Posted by lowrange

The explanation I heard that sounds most plausible is, the device causes the fuel to flow better down the manifold or fuel rail or whatever you call it so that there is a more even distribution of the fuel going to the injectors. If that's possible, that would explain both the smoother idle and any increased fuel economy.

In Navistar’s solution, a high-pressure, common-rail fuel injection system delivers diesel in a finer mist and with improved sequencing to allow for a more efficient fuel burn, Shick said.

http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=73804

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by mike3fan

In Navistar’s solution, a high-pressure, common-rail fuel injection system delivers diesel in a finer mist and with improved sequencing to allow for a more efficient fuel burn, Shick said.

http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=73804

And I'm sure that's accomplished at the injectors, not somewhere in the fuel line.

Imagine you have a garden hose. The sprayer on the end of the garden hose is the injector, and the hose itself is the fuel line. Now, if you were to "change the travel pattern" of the water inside the hose (with a device such as the Turbo3000), would it change the way the water comes out of the sprayer?

There's a reason why it wouldn't. The water inside the hose is under pressure, therefore the "travel pattern" of the water is irrelevant. Just as the fuel in your fuel system is under pressure (from the fuel pump).

Remember - this device was designed and patented long before the first computer controlled engine was ever conceived.

[Orangetxguy]

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago

And I'm sure that's accomplished at the injectors, not somewhere in the fuel line.

Imagine you have a garden hose. The sprayer on the end of the garden hose is the injector, and the hose itself is the fuel line. Now, if you were to "change the travel pattern" of the water inside the hose (with a device such as the Turbo3000), would it change the way the water comes out of the sprayer?

There's a reason why it wouldn't. The water inside the hose is under pressure, therefore the "travel pattern" of the water is irrelevant. Just as the fuel in your fuel system is under pressure (from the fuel pump).

Remember - this device was designed and patented long before the first computer controlled engine was ever conceived.

Would that be the injectors...the fuel pump...or the Turbo whatche-callit?:lol:

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by Orangetxguy

Would that be the injectors...the fuel pump...or the Turbo whatche-callit?:lol:

All of the above.:thumbsup:

[fdmax]

This is the funny part.
They believed that the agitation and mixing action of the fuel causes violent molecular vibrations leading to a greater "displacement of the atoms" from their equilibrium lattice positions thereby placing the fuel, which is still in a liquid state, close to a vapor state, but ready to be vaporized in the engine.

HaHaHa

oh' man that is their reasoning, that's what is so mystifying, like three card monty.

The Fuel "which is still in a liquid state, close to a vapor state, but ready to be vaporized." another way of saying it does nothing, "in their own patent"

It's hard enough to try not to get ripped off on the things we need to buy.
When parts are over priced, or inferior quality.

this thing is a piece of junk.

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[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by fdmax

This is the funny part.
They believed that the agitation and mixing action of the fuel causes violent molecular vibrations leading to a greater "displacement of the atoms" from their equilibrium lattice positions thereby placing the fuel, which is still in a liquid state, close to a vapor state, but ready to be vaporized in the engine.

Didn't they teach you that in physics class? That shaking and spinning a liquid causes it to "almost" change to a vapor?

[fdmax]

The shaking and spininng of a liquid causes it to "almost" change to a vapor.



Almost: very nearly but not exactly or entirely <we're almost there>



Coherent displacement of atoms: the act or process of displacing.
the difference between the initial position of something (as a body or geometric figure) and any later position.
the volume or weight of a fluid (as water) displaced by a floating body (as a ship).

Vaporization of an element or compound is a phase transition from the liquid phase to gas phase.

Vaporization is the transition of matter from a solid or liquid phase into a gaseous (or vapor) phase.

Water boiling into steam is an example of vaporization.

A vapor is a substance in the gas phase at a temperature lower than its critical temperature.
This means that the vapor can be condensed to a liquid or to a solid by increasing its pressure, without reducing the temperature.



Vapor: diffused matter (as smoke or fog) suspended floating in the "air".
a substance in the gaseous state as distinguished from the liquid.
a mixture (as the explosive mixture in an internal combustion engine) of such a vapor with "air".

Vapor, "either it is or it is'nt".
and only the fuel nozzle will make the vapor for an engine.

[lowrange]

Two things:

1) Big Diesel, that's the most excellent avatar ever, don't change it!

2) I got about $270 back of the $370 I paid to have the TA install it. At first they weren't going to reimburse the installation kit but then relented. TA agreed to uninstall it for free but wouldn't give me the money back for the labor on the installation.

I had it on for about 7,000 miles, the driving conditions were similar. I got .17 mpg less than before it was installed.

So, for about $100 I bought the right to call Kevin Rutherford every name in the book. The funny thing about his website, he evidently cheats his listeners and guys still hang out there. Some have spent countless hours with numerous units trying to get the thing to work. It's terrible, somebody should have to pay.

[mike3fan]

Originally Posted by lowrange

It's terrible, somebody should have to pay.

Apparently someone did.

[Rev.Vassago]

Originally Posted by lowrange

The funny thing about his website, he evidently cheats his listeners and guys still hang out there. Some have spent countless hours with numerous units trying to get the thing to work. It's terrible, somebody should have to pay.

Just take what P.T. Barnum said to heart.

There's a sucker born every minute.

It just so happens that this time, the sucker was you. Next time, I'm sure you'll think twice when everyone around you is screaming for you to stop.

Now, I've got a bunch of those big green fuel pills I'd love to sell you. They're guaranteed to increase your MPG!