You do not have the mental capacity to drive truck.... I would hope that you can receive a refund on your so called training.... But your attitude towards this terrible accident is not surprising considering whom you are enslaved to...... What a joke of a driver you are.....:rofl:

 

Typical response, i would not have hoped to hear anything different. It must have sucked for you when you went to Junior High School, huh. Your signature line, is that something your father told you when you were 12?

Don't have the mental capacity to drive a truck? Really, seeing how I CAN, and I HAVE. What is training? According to Webster, it is: the skill, knowledge, or experience acquired by one that trains. I obviously have the skill to get an 18-Wheeler from point A to point B, WITHOUT being unsafe, I'm willing to bet I have more experience then YOU (cause i think you just FAKE being a truck driver so you can BE somebody, and prove to your father that you aren't a nobody). And it was a terrible accident. What I am trying to SAY (cause it seems nobody bothers to take their blinkers off (blinkers is a horse racing term, by the way)) is that it was not totally the fault of the company, or the trainer. Whos butt was sitting behind the wheel? And at some point, anybody would/should have thought to themselves, "...boy, the road is wet, and i'm doing 63-65mph with a fully loaded trailer, and my vehicle weight is close to 40 tons, and i can feel i'm starting to hydroplane for split seconds..." But with the proper training that i've had, I've been told, when it rains, you slow down by as much as 5-10mph. HAD MR. FAY DONE THAT (unless he fell asleep at the wheel, too) the accident would never have happened. Now, seeing that he was still a training DRIVER (most of you forget that part...he was still a fellow DRIVER), it is the fault of the school that taught him, and his mentor for not making sure he understood what it ment to be in total control of your vehicle at all times. Now, what some of you like to just ASSume, is that you know what the mentor told him, you know exactly how Mr. Fay was trained, or you know how the mentor was running the truck. You obviously don't, so why jump to conclusions like you DO. You would rather pin the blame, and make the company look bad, by saying it was the companies fault because it is obviously their fault for asking/making a driver run student drivers as part of a TEAM. I will tell you that is not the case. THAT fault lies with the money hungry drivers who know they can become mentors, get a student driver on the truck, and run 1500-2500 more miles a week. Is how greedy a trainer is the fault of the company they work for? You think the company will look at this accident, pat the trainer on the back, telling him 'it wasn't your fault', and just blindly give him the reigns of being a trainer again, just to get him on the road with another student driver? They will look up the history of this driver, his student drivers, everything. If they deem him as being 'unsafe', you think they will allow him back in a truck, that they have to pay a million dollar deductable for everytime they have an accident???

pull your head out of the sand (or whever else it might be stuck) and open your eyes, and quit just ASSuming you know everything about this accident.

Oh, and i am hardly 'enslaved' to anybody. If I was working for such a 'bad bad' company, felt they were pushing me to run unsafe, had shoddy equipment, etc. i would start looking for another company to work for. They dont own me, and i am free to walk out the door at anytime I so choose. As for your last comment, you might or you might not have ever been on the same mile of road with me, so how can you pass judgement on my skill or not? Anybody with a brain bigger than your pea can figure that out. Quit being so prejudice, it is not healthy for you.

 

and i am sure you KNOW this, because you were actually in the truck, yeah? You KNOW he was sound asleep, because you KNOW when the mentor went to line 2, and you know how long Mr. Fay was on line 3, and/or how fatigued he might have been?? Tell me, can you give me the lotto numbers for the powerball drawing set for next Wednesday??



.....talk about pathetic.

 

Well I'm just glad to see it wasn't YOU -- Kevin. Although, now I've lost that $20.00 bet!

Be safe out there and watch out.

 

HAHAHAHA....that was actually funny. I could see how it is easy to confuse "Kevin" with "Cheikh". ;-)

 

So...You feel it would be dumb to ASS-ume that the trainer being in the seat, instead of in the sleeper, could have done anything to prevent this accident?


In my opinion...Any trainer unable to control his or her trainee, and that trainee's driving actions...IS NOT A FIT TRAINER. Failing to teach a new driver the difference between a 4-wheeler and an 18-wheeler falls on everyone from the Driving School Instructor whom taught the trainee, to the Corporate Trainer, whom is in the truck with the trainee.

Why would anyone need to be on the shoulder of the road or in the truck to make that observation?

Kevin wrote; Given the fact that Mr. Fay was a resident of Renton WA, and the fact that the Puget Sound region has been home to immigrants for more than 100 years.....he was being ignorant. IF Kevin's speculation as to the lack of english skills on Mr. Fay's part were correct...then SWIFT would indeed be "AT FAULT" for having him at the controls of the truck, would they not?


Or would I need to be on the shoulder of the road or in the truck to make that observation?

 

If you think drivers are that stupid, that they don't know they are getting UP into an 18-wheeler, and that it will obviously handle totally different than a 4-wheeler, then you are slapping us all in the face, calling us 'dumb'. Even a little child knows, if you give them a big wheel to drive for years, then give them a small bike with training wheels, they know the difference. You're saying truck drivers aren't smarter than a child?

you think i am letting the trainer off the hook for the accident. i am not. i will agree that had he been in the right seat, i am sure he would have said "slow down a bit when it is raining" LONG before the accident. Long before, like....during week 1. Then again, MAYBE he did mention slowing down when it rains. You again assume you know what the trainer said to the student driver. Maybe he was told everything he SHOULD HAVE, and just was caught daydreaming, and didn't realize he increased his speed from 59 to 64. You going to tell me, you have NEVER EVER had a leadfoot, and increased your speed 5mph by mistake? I bet you are one of thoes 'super truckers' who never miss a shift either, or gind a gear. You are perfect, i forgot. How many tickets and log violations do you have??

 

Those of us that have been on this board for a couple of years have read comments by new drivers, just a few months, about how they were going to be trainers, getting the money for both drivers and making a mint. And, which ones were the companies they were working for? Let's see...

C R England was one.

I believe Swift was another...

Think there was another, and don't know if it was USX or not.

Sorry, folks, but if the training is not over, the trainers job is not over, and he belongs in the "shotgun seat". Anything else is a simple matter of GREED. With just a few months on the job, a driver does not know enough, himself/herself to be able to train someone else. Much less, judge when the trainee is capable of driving unsupervised. A period of training is a time of teaching and learning (depending on which one you are referring too.) and the simple fact is that there is absolutely NONE of that going on if the trainer is in the bunk.

The fact is... When you get your CDL and complete your training with a trainer/mentor, you have learned to AIM THE TRUCK DOWN THE ROAD, and you will spend the next several years actually learning to drive yourself. Getting your CDL is simply your license to "learn to drive". It takes, at least, a couple of years of that "learning to drive", yourself, before you know enough to train someone else.

As a former trainer, myself, I've had more than one trainee that I have had to say someting during the 5th, and even the 6th week, in order to prevent an accident. And, more than half of those times, it was because the trainee was about to mis-judge the conditions of a curve. Specifically, about to enter the curve too fast. Something that a seasoned driver will recognize immediately, but a driver with only a few months under his own belt may easily overlook. If you're going to wear the label of "TRAINER/MENTOR", you're going to take your job seriously, and DO YOUR JOB UNTIL THE TRAINING SESSION IS OVER.

Yes, I do blame the trainer for the accident. Along with the company that allows that type of training. If the trainer was a seasoned driver, not just a "six month wonder", and had been doing his job, he would have cautioned the trainee to take it easy because of the road conditions. In this case, the company and the trainer should be charged with WRONGFUL DEATH. After the training is over and the trainee is out on his own, the fault then goes to him alone.

With the facts I've seen in this case, I see it as being preventable by the company, the trainer, or both.

 

Sure hope you are not making reference to me, because nowhere did i say i would be a trainer in 6 months. I side with you when saying nobody should be a trainer without X amount of years or X amount of miles under their belt. AND i'd go a step farther and say you cannot have any preventable accidents in that same time span.

as far as the end of your post, you again assume you know exactly how the mentor was teaching and what has been taught previous to the accident. Maybe he was one of those money hungry greedy trainers we talk about. Maybe he was a trainer with a million miles, who knows. But dont assume. Yeah, it was the fault of the trainer, and leave it at that. And only if the company knowingly allowed a poor quality trainer on the road with a student driver, is the company at fault. Do you know how many months/years the mentor in question has under his belt? Obviously none of us do.....so why speculate about it?

 

You just don't get it do you.....:roll: Me thinks this worthless trainer is a friend of yours....... You will not last in this industry due to your Supertrucker attitude.... The roads will be safer once you are off of them..... Once the WSP report is posted online for public review, it will be posted here to show you how clueless you actually are when it comes to safety and professionalism......