How are you supposed to Log split sleeper berth time ??

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Old 12-09-2007, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdFrostyMug
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Not necessarily. I have found MANY instances where, even logging legally, I was able to use the split to my advantage. It may not work for YOU, but it can for others. I don't feel that is "bad advice" anymore than giving "bad reasons" why the FMCSA modified the split.
I admit that splitting can be a good tool in certain instances, but "MANY"? Dunno about that. Especially utilizing 8/2 because you can just take your 10 and get back a fresh 14.

Actually, the studies show that Senior Citizens often need only 6 hours. Middle aged people need (on average) 7.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. Those are the facts. FMCSA just rounded it off to 8 hours to cover as MANY variations as they could.
There are plenty of studies that show driving past the 10th hour is inherently dangerous...and yet after 70+ years a deal was cut to bump driving to 11 hours. In fact, the 11 hour driving rule was struck down by the courts for that very reason.

So who are you going to believe? The FMCSA uses studies they want to advance their own interests. In this case, I agree with headborg completely.

Ohhh Please don't agree Completely!!! that takes all the fun out of it!
doesn't keep the tread moving on.
Besides, you know what they say about arguing with a truck driver?
It's like rolling around in the mud with a pig, eventually you realize---the pig likes it! :lol: :lol:
 
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Old 12-14-2007, 06:12 AM
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Headborg said:

Besides, you know what they say about arguing with a truck driver?
It's like rolling around in the mud with a pig, eventually you realize---the pig likes it! :lol: :lol:
10-4 on THAT!! :wink:

Which is why, after I read a few more threads, I'll be right back to do just THAT!! :lol: (Gotta keep the thread moving!) :wink:

Meanwhile..... you can recheck YOUR math from your last post. You incorrectly stated that you could drive 7.5 hours toward the consignee. Um.... that would be IF you had a 15 hour clock! :shock: :lol:

Hey.... we ALL make minor mistakes now and then..... :lol:

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You drive 30minutes into consignee----they take 3hrs to unload you-
you then deadhead 2 hrs to your Shipper- they take 2hrs to reload you-
you've burned 7.5hrs of your 14.
Now you can choose---you can drive 7.5hrs toward your consignee
or you could stop-shower-eat- and kill another Xhrs and drive less.

ok,.....

driving: .5+2= 2.5 11-2.5= 8.5 remaining avail to legally drive(within 14hr clock), but:

.5+3+2+2=7.5 hours used 14-7.5=7.5 available to drive/work before the rig stops because the TIME BOMB just blew. See, my point was If you stop
anymore to fart around or shower,eat, etc---means less driving(less $$$)
and now you can't make your delivery on time, because CSR didn't plan enough time into the schedule--and you didn't cover the required 10 or 11hrs of driving.


Oh P.S. Hobo---your 5/5 split is valid( but only teams did it that way--easier to break that extra 1hr while your partner drove) make it all even---or they could stop the truck and both go off duty at the same time-but all the same anyway. This is way it's mainly the TEAMS that hate
this new messed up Useless split-----there's no flip/flop ability.
 
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Old 12-14-2007, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by headborg
Oh P.S. Hobo---your 5/5 split is valid( but only teams did it that way--easier to break that extra 1hr while your partner drove) make it all even---or they could stop the truck and both go off duty at the same time-but all the same anyway. This is way it's mainly the TEAMS that hate
this new messed up Useless split-----there's no flip/flop ability.
I would agree most solo drivers did not do the 50/50 split. But there were several of us that did the 50/50 split as solo drivers.

The biggest pain in the rear for me was have to take more than 5 hours for any break. My normal sleep time has been around 4 hours all my life. So I could sleep for 4 hours do the other things such as eating, do paperwork, etc. and still be on the road by the end of my 50/50 split time.

With the right runs you could run 24/7 and never run out of hours. Of course that was before there use such thing as 34 hour reset. And there was no such thing as an 11 hour clock. All you had was no more than 10 hour driving and 70 hour limits. Plus gain back what you drove 7 days earlier.

But that was the old days and they will never come back. I'm afraid thing will only get worst. Thankfully I don't have to worry about it anymore. Retirement is getting better everyday.

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Old 12-14-2007, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kc0iv
Originally Posted by headborg
Oh P.S. Hobo---your 5/5 split is valid( but only teams did it that way--easier to break that extra 1hr while your partner drove) make it all even---or they could stop the truck and both go off duty at the same time-but all the same anyway. This is way it's mainly the TEAMS that hate
this new messed up Useless split-----there's no flip/flop ability.
I would agree most solo drivers did not do the 50/50 split. But there were several of us that did the 50/50 split as solo drivers.

The biggest pain in the rear for me was have to take more than 5 hours for any break. My normal sleep time has been around 4 hours all my life. So I could sleep for 4 hours do the other things such as eating, do paperwork, etc. and still be on the road by the end of my 50/50 split time.

With the right runs you could run 24/7 and never run out of hours. Of course that was before there use such thing as 34 hour reset. And there was no such thing as an 11 hour clock. All you had was no more than 10 hour driving and 70 hour limits. Plus gain back what you drove 7 days earlier.

But that was the old days and they will never come back. I'm afraid thing will only get worst. Thankfully I don't have to worry about it anymore. Retirement is getting better everyday.

kc0iv
I hear what you are saying...and agree...a friend of my driving for A.D. Transport he's been driving for years and is pushing 58years old...used to "splitting" all the time---now it's harder for him...he just can't run solid 11
hr days or even 8's without getting really tired/fatigued---but now he can't get that quick 3-5hr nap anymore and still do it legal and make $$$$.
So that 14hr clock with no stopping--has left many drivers fighting afternoon sleep patterns that their bodies have been used to for years---and it's making for LESS SAFE HIGHWAYS.
 
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Originally Posted by ColdFrostyMug
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Not necessarily. I have found MANY instances where, even logging legally, I was able to use the split to my advantage. It may not work for YOU, but it can for others. I don't feel that is "bad advice" anymore than giving "bad reasons" why the FMCSA modified the split.
I admit that splitting can be a good tool in certain instances, but "MANY"? Dunno about that. Especially utilizing 8/2 because you can just take your 10 and get back a fresh 14.

Actually, the studies show that Senior Citizens often need only 6 hours. Middle aged people need (on average) 7.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. Those are the facts. FMCSA just rounded it off to 8 hours to cover as MANY variations as they could.
There are plenty of studies that show driving past the 10th hour is inherently dangerous...and yet after 70+ years a deal was cut to bump driving to 11 hours. In fact, the 11 hour driving rule was struck down by the courts for that very reason.

So who are you going to believe? The FMCSA uses studies they want to advance their own interests. In this case, I agree with headborg completely.
Yeah but taking 10 sometimes is not always feasible. Many times 1 hour makes a difference on a driver getting the load there on time or getting home on time. Would you rather be legal or illegal? Know you regulations and how to use them and then you will know when to use them to "YOUR" advantage :lol:
 
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Originally Posted by Cat6869

Yeah but taking 10 sometimes is not always feasible. Many times 1 hour makes a difference on a driver getting the load there on time or getting home on time. Would you rather be legal or illegal? Know you regulations and how to use them and then you will know when to use them to "YOUR" advantage :lol:
Now That is good advise...and well stated...which no one should disagree with....which nobody can deny.......just wish Crete Carrier allowed this--would make my life a lot easier.

But, they say....better trip planning can avoid this problem....
or, "Well, if the schedule is that tight....we will just RESCHEDULE it the following day. There's another 24hrs for you.
 
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:59 PM
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Headborg said (again

14-7.5=7.5 available to drive/work
Sorry, but NO, it does NOT! 7.5 + 7.5 = 15!!!

14 - 7.5 = 6.5!! :roll:

Not arguing with your knowledge of the RULES, Headborg! You obviously have a pretty good grip..... (more discussion on this later)..... but we have to START with good MATH!! :wink:

I don't know how to START to debate someone who insists that 7.5 + 7.5 equals 14!! :shock:
 
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Headborg said (again

14-7.5=7.5 available to drive/work
Sorry, but NO, it does NOT! 7.5 + 7.5 = 15!!!

14 - 7.5 = 6.5!! :roll:

Not arguing with your knowledge of the RULES, Headborg! You obviously have a pretty good grip..... (more discussion on this later)..... but we have to START with good MATH!! :wink:

I don't know how to START to debate someone who insists that 7.5 + 7.5 equals 14!! :shock:
crap....you're right...duhhh.....


SEE WHY YOU NEVER DO YOUR LOG BOOK LATE AT NIGHT WHEN YOU'RE TIRED!

been staring at that for couple hours----wondering---where YOU were thinking I had driven( in the example-even close to 11 hrs) think it's time to get some sleep...........

thanks for setting me straight....what time of night did I make that first post anyway?

answer: 1:04am on a Sunday morning. Sad...Sad...SAD...can't spell...can't add.
 
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Like I said..... it can happen to ANY of us at any time, but..... yes....

It IS late, and I, too, need sleep. Just got in at noon today from Seattle. Best we take this up again when we're ALL well rested!

2 + 2 = 4, carry the 1 = 6! Ooops!
 
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