For Those that come on here talkin about DWI's
#21
01-08-2007, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Useless said:
As for gun control, or jock rockets, those are important issues, but IMO, the abuse or irresponsible use by some is no reason to make them illegal.
I agree with what you said, somewhat. But, if society REALLY wanted to stop or cut down on DUI deaths, there would NOT be beer and liquor available to a customer in a drive thru window! :shock: Nendail said:
I have two things to say about gun control.
A: If you outlaw guns... The outlaws will still have them... Think. Your turn to "think!" :lol: I guess they are one in the same if you look at it that way.. but I don't have a problem selling liquor in a drive through either.. it's drinking and driving/ drinking while driving/ or an open bottle in the vehicle that should be illegal.. It's not illegal to have the booze IN the vehicle at this point.
#22
01-08-2007, 11:46 AM
Originally Posted by glasman2
Let it be known if I see a drunk driver I will be calling 911 as I follow you, been there done that.
Suddenly, he swerved hard right, from the hammer lane over to an exit ramp; by then, I was already in contact with 9-11. They had his license plate #, description of his vehicle, his location, and where he was headed. He headed down a dark road, and I kept as much distance behind him as I could. I'm not a cop, and I wasn't about to risk getting into a high speed chase with him. I know, it looks real cool in the movies, or on the television, but in real life, it would be foolish and dangerous to attempt it; it could even wind up causing him to wreck and kill himself or someone else!! The dispatcher called back about twenty mins. later, and told me that they had caught him!! Thank God for cell phones!! Now, I do not know anything about this person, other than what I have already told you; yet, my mined wandered a bit as I contemplated the possibilities. All day long, I thought about this person having to call someone to pick him up at the county jail, possibly having to explain himself to his wife and children, a Christmas that may be ruined for his children and his family, and all of the possible legal and financial consequences that he would face. The possibility of job loss?? This happened on a Tuesday morning; was he due at work in a few hours?? Was this his first offense?? Would the children's Christmas money have to be used to pay for bail and attorney's fees?? I'll never know the answers to any of these questions. Just thinking about those things was very sobering, although I had not been drinking. At the same time, the risks of allowing someone like that to drive in that condition were just too high to ignore the danger that he was placing everyone in. Whose life may have been saved because the police were able to find him and take him off of the road?? Whose Holy Days would NOT be ruined because they found him in time?? Whose family would Not receive that dreaded knock on the door just two short weeks before Christmas morning?? Just a few more "Useless" thoughts!!
#23
01-08-2007, 12:44 PM
Originally Posted by shovelhead791
Hobo I don't want to "TOAST" you on your opinion, having the freedom to have your own thoughts and opinions makes this a GREAT country. However I have a different view of gun control. I think instead we should have criminal control. Not the broken prison system we have now. I certainly AGREE with you Shovelhead! At least, that is a beginning point! Of course the laws were changed about 10 years or more ago, making the commission of a crime WITH a gun a FELONY with supposedly HARD TIME. I just don't think it's enough. BTW.... that IS a form of Gun control! I'm not against gun ownership! I just believe that registration, SOME restriction, and tougher penalties, are a good place to start! And I have trained kids who had never even fired a BB gun to shoot and be safe with a weapon. Maybe that is the answer, instead of more laws we have more training. I understand this... but, I can't quite BUY it! It's a cheap copout on my part, but I must say it..... Outlaws won't get "trained." I'm sorry, but I don't think "training" is the answer. I also ride a motorcycle, not a crotchrocket, but am to scared to do the 120mph thing. And you are right I hate seeing other riders that pull wheelies on the open road. On another thread, someone showed an accident where a speeding cyclist caused an accident, and was lucky enough to walk away!! Today, on my local news, I saw a similar incident where the cyclist was killed INSTANTLY! Luckily.... he took no one WITH him to the afterlife! I can't say for sure..... but, I'd REALLY like to see a comparison of numbers of "innocents" killed by drunk drivers compared to those killed in accidents caused by "crotch rocket" idiots! The loss of any life is a tragedy. Yes.... it IS!!!! But.... it is a fact of life. People DIE. From all kinds of circumstances. I am in NO WAY condoning or excusing drunk driving!!! I just wish America would get EQUALLY concerned about some of the OTHER causes of the loss of innocent lives! We KNOW smoking causes deaths. (not second hand... but that's another argument!) Yet.... we still sell cigarettes while punishing the victim! We KNOW DUI's cause deaths, yet we still sell alcohol to people who are driving AT THE TIME. We KNOW guns kill people! Yet, some people REFUSE ANY attempts at controlling, regulating, licensing, or restricting the manufacture and sale of them to the public. We KNOW crotchrockets are a deadly menace to nearly EVERYONE on the road.... yet we allow them to be made and sold for STREET USE!! Conversely....We KNOW stemcell research holds the key to SAVING countless lives..... but we cannot pursue it because some Religious Conservatives claim it is MORALLY wrong to destroy what THEY deem to be a LIFE!!! Not someone who has EVER taken a breath of FREE American air!! Just a POSSIBLE life!!!! Where is the outrage from these people concerning the situations I mentioned in the last paragraph??? And WITHOUT such indignance.... how can I EVER believe they are concerned about "protecting" the Amercian people against ANYTHING????
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#25
01-08-2007, 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by greg3564
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Apparently, they don't realize that I "mess" with Texas about twice a week!!! And they are powerless to do anything about it!!! Now, if Cheney were to stand out there in a construction zone with his "GUN" I might reconsider!!! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#26
01-08-2007, 02:54 PM
Originally Posted by Useless
Originally Posted by golfhobo
I just wish people felt the same way about GUN CONTROL! Look up the numbers sometime about how many INNOCENT people die because some idiot had a GUN..... and NOT the temperament to control its USE! So, I take it that you WON'T be hunting with Dick Chenney?? :shock: Of course you're RIGHT that I wouldn't go hunting with Cheney.... but NOT for the reason you imply! I'm no big fan of Cheney, when it comes to the political arena, but I actually felt SORRY for him concerning this issue. Maybe, I'm a fool, but I believed his story! I DO wonder if he'd been drinking.... but that's a COMMON problem among hunters! (and politicians!) I believe that Cheney, as a long time gun owner, knows what end the shot comes out of! I think he made an honest MISTAKE, and I'm sure he feels terrible about it! I have MUCH more "ammunition" against him and Bush, so I don't need to make political "hay" out of this. MY beliefs on gun control would NOT have prevented this incident. However... my beliefs on Abortion Rights MIGHT have!! :lol: I'm not concerned about how a 65 yr old man uses a legally registered shotgun. I care only about how teenagers with mental and social problems get their hands on "semi auto" weapons and kill school children, and how easy it is for the common drug criminal to acquire fully auto weapons and RULE our streets with a hail of bullets! When the NRA and the Constitutionalist "whiners" that claim to see NO PROBLEMS get off their BUTTS and come up with some REAL solutions to this problem, instead of spewing the same old "training" and "militia" mantras, and Liberal "blame game" I'll get off my soapbox! I don't OWN a gun, and don't feel my rights to own one are "infringed." So.... it is not a problem of MY making. This problem lies SQUARELY on the shoulders of those who resist any Gun Control, and INSIST on more guns, with higher killing potential, like it's some kind of VIAGRA!!! It is up to THEM to stop the killing of innocent children, workers, and bystanders! If they make NO move to do so..... then they have shown me their TRUE colors. The SAD truth is... that EVEN if their conscience led them to, they CANNOT vote for any kind of laws that might protect innocent lives, because they would be seen as "caving in" to the so-called Liberals, who they are sworn to HATE and defeat! The loss of innocent lives be DAMNED!!! It is of NO consequence to them! They must, above ALL ELSE, be "right!" They must CONTROL and DICTATE!! This is THEIR country!!! Irrespective of the fact that our forefathers deemed it absolutely imperative that it be a country of compromise and balance! It is not entirely their fault. They are but the "programmed" offspring of the decendants of the feudal Lords of England, or of the "wannabees" who fled that land. This land was NOT built on THEIR backs, but on the backs of poor immigrants. They only provided the "funding" and the "backroom" political dealings. They should be ASHAMED of the way they have abused the Constitution.... but they HAVE no shame. Like George W. Bush, they believe they have a MANDATE from GOD almighty!! Well.... let me tell you folks..... I KNOW God almighty! I have a closer relationship than MANY who claim to be Christians in this country. He is NOT the God of the Aryan Nation! And he IS a God of PEACE.... not WAR! And he doesn't care one BIT about your right to own assault weapons! And last I checked, he's just about given UP on Texas!!! He says that "if you won't enforce the borders, and enforce the English language, you'll get what you deserve!" Which brings us back to Cheney! If you don't DUCK, you're gonna get HIT! :lol: :lol: :lol: So, yeah... I'd rather NOT go "hunting" with the DEVIL!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#28
01-08-2007, 03:04 PM
Originally Posted by glasman2
My brother in-law at the age of 22 killed himself drinking and driving thank god no one else was killed. He was drunk off his butt, hit the gravel on the side of the road and tried to correct it and rolled 8 times before landing 10 feet up in a tree. We stress no drinking and driving with our kids and bring him up as an example as to why not to, and how he could have killed the person that was with him or anyone else on the road at the time.
Let it be known if I see a drunk driver I will be calling 911 as I follow you, been there done that. I turn my flashers on to warn any other drivers that may be coming up behind me to let them know and it works. My part-time gig is as a counselor/instructor at San Diego's finest DUI program. Yes sir, no shortage of bodies here - over 2,000 "participants" in any given month! :shock: :shock: The majority of folks at that program at any given time are very busy blaming anyone but themselves for their DUI and don't quite grasp the concept that they could very easily be dead. They also appear to stick their heads in the sand regarding what they risk in other's lives! I do my everloving best, each and every Saturday, to bring awareness of the sentiment of the poem that started off this thread...over 40% of all traffic-related fatalities are due to alcohol... there's no way to ignore that could be anyone's family member... I'd call 911 in a heartbeat!
#29
01-08-2007, 03:24 PM
Originally Posted by tbrown
Originally Posted by glasman2
Let it be known if I see a drunk driver I will be calling 911 as I follow you, been there done that. I turn my flashers on to warn any other drivers that may be coming up behind me to let them know and it works. My part-time gig is as a counselor/instructor at San Diego's finest DUI program. Yes sir, no shortage of bodies here - over 2,000 "participants" in any given month! :shock: :shock: The majority of folks at that program at any given time are very busy blaming anyone but themselves for their DUI and don't quite grasp the concept that they could very easily be dead. They also appear to stick their heads in the sand regarding what they risk in other's lives! I do my everloving best, each and every Saturday, to bring awareness of the sentiment of the poem that started off this thread...over 40% of all traffic-related fatalities are due to alcohol... there's no way to ignore that could be anyone's family member... I'd call 911 in a heartbeat! And while you're searching... how many of the 40% are the drivers themselves, versus innocent travelers? This is good info to know.
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#30
01-08-2007, 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Hey TBrown: What you do is great. No argument here. But, just wondering. What is the breakdown of the stats for the OTHER 60%??
And while you're searching... how many of the 40% are the drivers themselves, versus innocent travelers? This is good info to know. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd...005/809904.pdf This link provides NHTSA statistics on alcohol-related fatalities from 2004 -keep in mind that data is always lagging by a year or two as it takes time to gather and desseminate. According to this date, by role: - Half the fatalities occurred to drivers w/alcohol - An additional 17% to passengers riding w/them - 12% occurred to nonoccupants - 8% to motorcycle operators w/alcohol I know from info that I have at work that of the over 17,000 children killed each year, over 40% are killed in accidents where they were a passenger in a car where the driver was determined to have a BAC of >.01. Having said that, I don't really care about the other issues that result in fatalities as much as I care about the ones we have control over... you CHOOSE to get in a car and drive after drinking. |
