Same goes for you....

I never for once thought that i might get banned and even if i did it would be a loss, not for me but the board here. Ethnic cleansing has never worked and always comes back to bite you in your but. I am very busy individual, with my work and with my family but, i find some spare time for things like this and the fact that it interest me, is a good thing.[/QUOTE]




You see, i dont care about what will happen in the future regarding our government. I control my life and i am positioning my self the way i want to. Government or not, my life will be what I make it out to be.....Even if Stallin came out of his grave i will make it as i know what it takes to do so. I dont care about Obama but I do care when people like yourself start to call him names and name him Hitler. It doesnt matter who is the president, Republican or Democrat, i will show respect no matter what.
I have never called President Bush names even tough he has done more Hitler like moves than Obama, and many other things. On my trips to Europe right after the Iraq invasion, it was very popular to be anti-Bush but i have always defended him even tough i disagreed with him so much.



Then why am i not complaining if the country changed for worse. My living standard proves you wrong as it has only gone up. It seems to me that the kind of life you would like to have isnt playing out the way you want it too so, you are mad about everything. Obama or no Obama, i make my life what it is, not him. and you adjust your position to make your life better.

Your children will have that right, you dont need to worry about that. If they choose to be a doctors then they will have to study and work hard. Nobody from the government will stand in their way. I think all politicians are corrupt, but when you start blaming only one side thats what makes my blood boil. Whar Republicans did to this country no enemy can ever do. No terrorist can ever achieve.

THey seem to only show their anger when Democrats come to power. When we invaded Iraq, they were cheerful, I was called a traitor by these same m/f who are now crying constitution and their rights. Sarah Palins of the world who are now experts on America and their freedom, when these same freedoms were taken away with Patriot Act and death of habeas corpus. If it was up to me i'd hang them all in front of the statue of Abraham Lincoln as they do not represent America nor its true values. If they did they would be mass protests before we started bombing a foreign nation which has done nothing to us.

As I said to Hobo in another thread, I’ve got a fairly broad base of friends and acquaintances all over the nation. I’ve got friends that are liberal, democrats, and/or atheists or agnostics – almost polar opposites to being the conservative Christian that I am. Yet what I find rather enlightening is that those whose beliefs are diametrically opposed to me are the ones that are the least happy. Why’s that? Their boy is in power, enacting all the socialist reform possible. What’s not to be happy about? And yet, they are not and most of them are intent on getting their party purged now that they see the truth. I have asked them many times good-naturedly and somewhat smugly, “how’s that hope and change workin’ out for you?” Most of the sheepish replies are along the lines of “yeah, yeah, shut up about it already.” It’s a scenario being repeated on a massive scale all across the country, regardless of what the liberal media is spoon-feeding those that are still addicted to them.

I think i have made my point about these,, up in arms'' types and what i think about them

If it comes to this, then i am ready for that as well. I will turn my passport in and call Australia my new home, as it is America no more. You might think that i am blindly following everything Obama is doing and the truth is something completely else. The fact that he didnt cose Guantanamo Bay makes me angry. The fact that we still have troops in Iraq makes me angry too.

 

Rather high opinion you have of yourself. :roll:

You keep believing that one. :roll:

Who said anything about my standard of living going down? Again, I have no complaints on my life and live a fulfilling and a good one. However, where you and I are different is that I’m looking ahead and you’re sitting squarely in the present. As long as things are great for you today, you’re fine and the future doesn’t matter. As long as you have money coming in today, you’re OK. That’s rather short-sighted, don’t you think? Do you have kids? I would say no. Because if you DID, then you, as any decent parent, would be looking at what their future may hold.

Why? Because you state it as fact? Alrighty then. :roll:

And your boy in the White House does?!? ROTLMFAO!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Someone made the comment the other day that their boy in the White House was the light at the end of the tunnel. Wonder how they’re going to feel when they realize that the light is actually the train coming through.

 

I'm going to be completely honest here. I have had some spirited arguments with Twilight Flyer, and he's not warned me. While I could not log in for much of last week, I don't think it was because I had been subjected to any moderator action, I think it was because the board was having a brainfart.

I have found Twilight to be a courteous and respectful opponent, and I certainly don't buy into the "wahh, he's a moderator, he's being mean to me" argument.

I don't think Obama is Hitler, I do thing he's wrong. I supported President Bush for the most part, and he was frequently compared to Hitler. I think that this comparing Presidents to Hitler stuff is deeply insulting to the millions of people killed by Hitler and his followers, deeply insulting to WW2 Veterans, on both sides of the Atlantic who stood against Hitler and I think it trivializes the argument being made by the person making the comparison. Bush wasn't Hitler. Obama isn't Hitler.

The term anti-American is another one that seems to chap my arse. People who opposed Bush were called this, and I heard lots of people saying things like "he's the sitting President, at least respect the office". The term anti-American is pretty meaningless.

Ain't going to happen. Any attempt by a politician to put these things in place would be met by rapid Supreme Court action.

 

Yes I do and so do you. What kind of a board would it be if you had only one opinion on it?



Yes I do.



And whats not the present, future in which government starts to control you, war, mayhem, militias...??? People like you have been saying that ever since this country came about. If i would be be paranoid i would have gone insane a long time ago. No wonder why you hate those that you do not support. But luckily majority of this country doesn't think the way you do.
When President Clinton was elected, number of militias tripled over night because of these beliefs and what happen, anyone took your guns away? No, on contrary, this country grew and prospered but these lunatics still hated everything about it.

I have planned for future and when recession hit i was ready. Just like i'll be ready when a real depression hits.

My children will be taken cared of, if not in this country then someplace else, i guarantee you.







This ,,your boy''BS is getting kind of old, dont you think? I dont care what that ,,someone'' said or is saying just like i dont care for that Jesus talk of yours about apocalypse or whatnot.

 

You would be correct that it was through no doing of the moderators, but I don’t know that the board was having any issues last week, either. Where you on wi-fi somewhere trying to connect?

Yeah, but try and convince Hobo of that.

See, we’ll have to disagree on that one. I don’t recall ever hearing Bush compared to Hitler – heard him referred to as a warmonger at times, but never Hitler. Today, the comparison to Hitler is being done because the individual in the White House is following in Hitler’s early footprints. Same socialist mindset, same desire to rule and control, all the way down to having children sing about him. The similarities in the two are frightening, at best. So, it is not an insult to anyone (well, other than rubber ducky boy), but a warning that we are doomed to repeat history. As far as vets go, I’ve talked to a number of them that feel the same way. I’ve got a few in my family, even. There are a whole lot of people comparing him to Hitler and with good reason.

Gold Bond.

By anti-American, I am referring to the chosen one and his cronies. I won’t back down from that, either. Or maybe I should change it to anti-Constitution. Or anti-Freedom. Or anti-Christ. Hey, now we might be getting somewhere.

That there will illustrate another difference in you and I. You believe in or have faith that the Supreme Court would do so. I don’t. I have zero faith in our government right now to do anything that doesn’t line their own pockets or transfer more power to those select few sitting in DC.

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Can’t make heads or tails out of that sentence.

There’s that word again – hate. You sure do like to throw it around, don’t you? :roll: Unfortunately, you do not seem to have a grasp of what it means.

Actually, you would be incorrect. You’ll start to see that in November, I’ll wager.

I couldn’t stand Clinton – disagreed with a whole lot of things he did. But the difference between him and the current scumbag in chief is that I respected Clinton for the most part, recognized that he was the president, and had him pegged for being in it for himself. I can deal with that – greed and personal gratification is one thing and doesn’t do a whole lot to threaten most American citizens and their rights. Your boy in office today, though, is an entirely different situation. Whether you choose to see it or keep your head buried in his arse, he’s in it for one thing – power for himself and his followers and to hell with everyone else.

Judging by your posts, I find that extremely difficult to believe. One would have to recognize the oncoming train to be ready to jump out of its way. You have no clue, therefore cannot be ready, despite your empty posturing.

That’s a self-defeating statement if there ever was one. On one hand, you talk about how great your boy in the White House is and on the other hand, you’re all ready to move to another country when this one goes to hell. That’s the coward’s way out. Tell you what, if you’ll go now and promise never to come back, I’ll spring for a one-way ticket today.

Me? If it goes to hell (and it is heading in that direction), I’ll gladly fight for my rights and freedom. That’s what a true American would do instead of cutting and running like you intend to. :roll:

No, actually I don’t. You better learn to deal with it.

Well that much has been long obvious. Unfortunately, when the time comes to pay the piper, you cannot say that people didn’t tell you it was coming.

In case you haven’t figured it out yet, I’m not overly concerned what you think. I haven’t brought up anything Biblical in any recent discussions with you. It’s the whole casting pearls before swine thing. :roll:

I still have those discussions with Hobo from time-to-time because his father is a preacher and he has at least a basic understanding of end-times, even if he doesn't believe it. So we at least have some common ground to discuss it and will continue to do so when those times come. If you don't like it, skip the thread. That's pretty simple, isn't it?

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is there still beer in the future?????

 

In Heaven there is no beer.
That's why we drink it here.
And when we're all gone from here.
Our friends will be drinking all the beer.

 

well, i am pretty much figured i aint going to heaven...what about hell? is there beer in hell?

 

Yes. Satan drinks it in front of you and says "neener, neener, you can't have none!" That's why it's called hell.

 

Ptarmigan said:

Great opening statement, but never completed. I.e: you didn't define it.

The problem with the conservatives using this scare tactic is that it is so far from the truth. The fact that the government required stock ownership in GM (for example) as a "security" for the LOAN we made to them is no more a "takeover" than ANY bailout of Chrysler, or the airlines, or any OTHER industry in our history. And the fact that we don't each now own a Malibu contradicts the last part. GM is still allowed to sell their products overseas, and the workers there haven't had their salaries SET by the government.

The fact that they have paid back most if not all of the loan WITH INTEREST, shows that both they AND our government are practicing within the economics of capitalism.

However, ignorance of the MEANING of a word has never stopped the conservatives from throwing it around if it gets them votes from the easily duped.

REGULATION of financial institutions is not NEW in this country, and it has been proven by the SCOTUS to NOT violate either the tennets of capitalism NOR the interstate commerce clause.

Fact is.... not a SINGLE effort by the current administration to rescue the economy from those who would trash it for their own greed, violates the tennets of capitalism NOR the constitution. If anything, making US all stockholders for a time is totally CONSISTENT with capitalism!

Well, certainly not in the manner that the bill NOW constitutes. The government is not going to hire the doctors, build the buildings, pay the medical costs for the people, etc. Not even the issuance of a "free pass" medical card to every citizen! This would amount to the Canadian system, and we aren't talking anything CLOSE to that! But, I have YET to hear from a conservative that understands that.

THAT is socialized medicine, and even THERE they allow citizens to own private insurance policies for more "options" in their healthcare.

Which is EXACTLY what Obama said! IF we could start from scratch, he said, I'd be in favor of either a single payer system or a government provided system (paraphrased.) But.... we are NOT! And he KNOWS that. So, we are working towards the best system we can get that maintains independence of choice AND more economic availability to ALL. This will reduce the "hidden costs" to all taxpayers of the care for the uninsured while "regulating" the worst practices of the capitalist insurance companies that are treating us the way Wall Street has been in recent years.

I realize that YOU are the lawyer to be here.... but, I'm not sure I agree. By definition of revenue, there is nothing in this bill that makes it a revenue rasing bill, unless you consider the fines for breaking the law.

There have been MANY laws passed that codified the rights and responsibilities of both houses of Congress, and they certainly can't be considered to fit exactly the austere writings of the Constitution. I would be EXTREMELY surprised if the lawyers in congress "missed" this one!

I'm not sure that it either violates OR is supported by the interstate commerce clause. Not sure what legislative power they were attempting to assert over public schools, (which I believe might be STATE supported and established,) but the Federal gov't certainly has power to regulate ENERGY/Utility companies (many of which operate across state lines,) TRUCKING companies, airlines and BANKS. IIRC, insurance companies are NOT forbidden to trade across state lines, they are just required to maintain offices, capital reserves, etc., in any state they wish to compete. Not sure if this is a federal or a STATE requirement.

The fact that this "Act" doesn't cover ALL people, let alone American Indians (who for some reason continue to enjoy "rights" that many Americans do not,) or fails in ANY other way mentioned in this third argument of yours, has no bearing on its constitutionality, is strictly your opinion, and constitutes no valid argument on the part of anyone making this claim in court.

No it doesn't. IF you fail to follow the law, you will be fined. The law itself IS "due process." If you fail to pay property taxes you will be jailed or have your property SEIZED. I'm quite sure that no one will be jailed for not paying the FINE for not having insurance without some form of judicial proceeding. This is America.... after all.

Admittedly, I am not totally "up" on this one. But, I don't believe so...based on MY arguments above.

This "law" is as valid as the Internal Revenue Law. The fourth ammendment protects citizens from illegal SEARCHES and SEIZURES without "probable cause" or a warrant from a judge. Disobeying a law on the books will get you a warrant any day (or night) of the week.

Well.... the 10th ammendment (and IMHO more importantly... the ninth) is a very nebulous thing. I don't believe the SCOTUS has ruled MANY cases based on this one! The Constitution gives congress the power to levy taxes, and "charges" them with the general welfare of the people. A very good case could be made that people NEED health insurance to promote their general well-being, and that the federal government has a right to indemnify the REST of the governed from PAYING for those who don't.

Except that the "trade off" is that they have a larger pool of "payers." THIS...alone.... should balance out the costs. And the point is that.... in recent years, insurance companies (without regulation) have been allowed to make their OWN rules, deny coverage for conditions the "people" thought they were PAYING insurance premiums for.... CAP the amount they would pay regardless of how much doctors and hospitals wanted to go up on their FEES.... and selectively deny coverage or impose HIGHER premiums on people who have existing conditions.

And the kicker is..... while Americans suffer, die, and go bankrupt.... the insurance companies make excessive profits by NOT doing the job they are there to do! In fact, since they are now responsible to shareholders, they are allowed to DENY benefits (for which premiums were paid) in order to PROFIT investors. So..... some Americans get richer off the misfortune of others. Is THAT the America YOU signed on for?

It already IS!! [well, if not INSURANCE... then healthcare in general]

Personally, I think I'm against that option. But, the current system has gone the way of Wall Street, and the repercussions for the American economy and the middle class CANNOT be ignored!

I am certainly NOT for Socialism! But, as a member of the Middle Class, I expect my government to do SOMETHING to level the playing field to some degree. And it is quite CLEAR which side the two parties come down on.