[Dejanh]

Originally Posted by Windwalker

Hey, Dejanh, you still there? No more comments about Kerry?

No, you are right, Bush is a hero and Kerry is not.

Finally i understand it now !

[Fozzy]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Should I swing at this softball??? :eek2::lol:

Maybe if Dubya HAD.... he would have reconsidered the COST of sending American troops into HIS "Vietnam" which IRAQ will forever be! :hellno::moon::clap:

This will never be Vietnam not even close no matter how many times you and trolls like you regurgitate it. The only similarity is people like who at the time were aiding and abetting the other side and proclaiming them to be the gentleman farmers. As for the costs. again you know absolutely nothing and prove it every day,

[golfhobo]

Fozzy said:

This will never be Vietnam not even close no matter how many times you and trolls like you regurgitate it.

I tried very hard to let this "guerilla" attack go without comment. I really did! I have tried over and over to keep or make the peace with you over YOUR misunderstanding of something I said long ago about your son's "duty" as escort for soldiers up on charges, as well as a statement I made concerning MY BELIEF about freedom of the Press. Everyone here who has read those threads KNOWS that I've done so! Futhermore, I believe everyone here KNOWS that I am not anti-American or without support for our military. But, you've jumped on my last nerve!

First of all.... I'm not a TROLL. I haven't come onto any of your "gold-star" forums and caused any trouble. I have NEVER said anything against our troops on THIS (or ANY) site! I've got a constitutional RIGHT to express my distrust and displeasure with the former C-I-C over the first EVER "pre-emptive" war waged by MY country. So you can STICK that warped and hateful "opinion" of yours where the sun don't shine!

As for Vietnam? Well.... I'm sure it's not an exact match. But, there ARE similarities. Are we not currently "propping up" a corrupt gov't in Iraq that WE brought to power after REMOVING the ruler at the time? SAME seems to go for Kharzi in Afghanistan. Are we NOT facing "guerilla" insurgents that blend in with the population the way we did in Vietnam? Have we not faced an almost endless force being radicalized against our very EXISTENCE there? And what will happen when we finally leave? Here... read this:

Iraq's Shiites try to form new government Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

We have managed to UNITE major populations of two countries that were once at war with each other.

Haven't UNTOLD thousands of civilians died as a result of OUR INVASION??

And did we not DESTABILIZE the entire region?

I'm sure you disagree with all of that, but that only shows how clouded your mind is now.

The only similarity is people like [sic] who at the time were aiding and abetting the other side and proclaiming them to be the gentleman farmers.

I suppose you meant to insert "you" here. You know absolutely NOTHING about me. I was FOR the Vietnam war at the time! But, unlike you.... I LEARNED from it. But, for your info.... MANY of the V.C. WERE just farmers, KIDS, women, etc. who fought either by choice or through intimidation against our troops. BOTH in Vietnam and Iraq! I never said that made them innocent.

As for the costs. again you know absolutely nothing and prove it every day.

NO?? I know what the off-budget expenditures on this war have done to our economy! I know what this war has done to our reputation around the world... with both enemies AND allies! And I know how it has cost American families like yours. And unlike Vietnam.... I don't see an END to any of it.

This thread had become a comparison between the leadership ability of a man who had SERVED in Vietnam vs. that of one who had NEVER seen combat. I really don't CARE about the argument over the medals. Just BEING in combat teaches people something... in the same way that LOSING a child in war gives one a different perspective than NOT losing one. Hence my last comment.

By your very hatred and condemnation of ME.... you prove my point! You wouldn't elect me Commander of the American Legion, right?

You claim that "I" know nothing because I haven't felt the cost personally. And I say the same thing about BUSH!

Get some HELP, Fozzy. Really! Or go "troll" some other messageboard!

Although, I still care deeply for you and your loss.... I have run out of patience with you and your personal attacks.

And I will say no more!

[Sorry, Twilight. I didn't pick this fight.]

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by cdswans

Character is what you are in the dark.
— Unknown

I've been chuckling about this ever since I read it. Gotta ask ya Swanny.... did you MEAN this to be tongue in cheek?

The irony is palpable. The guy who says this... signs off as "unknown." Remaining forever "in the dark." Well.... he didn't SIGN it that way, but... he must not have made himself too obvious! :lol2::lol2:

[Fozzy]

There was no misunderstanding at all, you know it and I know it and so do the people who where here then. You stated that my son should be fragged by his fellow troops for escorting a rapist and murderer to court. Why do you run from your own words? I know why.. You are like most vicious liberal loudmouths, you get all emotional and wound up in the moment and put your mouth into operation before engaging your brain. Then you like to pretend that all of the people will conveniently forget what you said in a few days so you can then pretend to support the people you just got done damning. Well you have the right to reinvent what ever you want and you can attempt to snow whoever you want and convince them that you are anything but what you actually are. All they have to do is go into the archives to see what you are and what you do. You have the right... that right works both ways and that's what bugs the liberal terror supporters and cowards of convenience so much. I'd don't post much at all here or anywhere else, but I do have the same rights you do, I'm just not someone who cares if you get your panties in a wad about it.

[robertt]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

I misread the section of the story that google took me to. YOU didn't give a link, OR state that the story began with page one when YOU googled Navy Seal TRAINING. "I" googled Navy Seal PIN.... and came in on about page THREE! My mistake for not realizing it.

Your right, I wasn't very clear. My bad. As far as the link goes, I have a "secret" tutor, who is ALL knowing,:smokin:, helping me with these types of things when I have a question, so I'll get with them and learn me some more computer stuff.:banana1: Give me a few years, I'll have it all down PAT. :clap:

[cdswans]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

I've been chuckling about this ever since I read it. Gotta ask ya Swanny.... did you MEAN this to be tongue in cheek?

More like a double entendre . .

[golfhobo]

Fozzy said:

There was no misunderstanding at all, you know it and I know it and so do the people who were here then.

I know I said I wouldn't say more. And I have just received a request from God to let it go. KNOWING that I risk it all by responding, I'm going to go ahead and post what I just spent hours composing. NOT out of anger or spite for you, Fozzy. But, because I see that this festering sore must be addressed. I offer it as an EXPLANATION of what I believe to be the underlying problem.... nothing more. And, per the request, I WILL say no more, period! IF I EVER OFFENDED YOU.... I'm SORRY! I swear it was never my intention.

You stated that my son should be fragged by his fellow troops for escorting a rapist and murderer to court. Why do you run from your own words?

I SAID no such thing, and I am NOT running from anything. YOU (or someone else) go dig it out of the archives! I KNOW what I said.

YOU were very proud of your son's deployment at the time. No problem. YOU proudly told that, as a NEWBIE on station, he had been given the "honor" of escorting troops under charge for crimes, as if that was some great honor or something. I don't know.... maybe some DO think it is (but I have to wonder WHY they would give that duty to one who just got there.)

But, "I" had recently heard some reports about JUST that situation, and how it wasn't taken real well by others in the platoon/brigade whatever. Not sure if I had actually HEARD of any fragging going on over this, but I AM aware of fragging during Vietnam for similar (if not the same) situations.

Maybe, I should have said nothing. But, all I DID say was that he should be careful, maybe YOU should be more worried, and that it WAS a possibility. At the LEAST, it is not the best way (as I HAVE HEARD) of endearing yourself to the other troops. That was IT, Fozzy! Plain and simple!

At that time, I thought of you as one of the smartest, most interesting posters on this forum. We BOTH shared military experience AND PRIDE. It is totally without rationalization that anyone would think I would WANT something bad to happen to ANY American soldier.... let alone YOUR son!

Dig up the quote, Fozzy. IF I said it wrong, I will AGAIN try to explain and apologize. But, it is NOT what I was saying! And everyone BUT YOU knows that, or should! I've been here for years! Yeah, I was against Bush AND the war! But, I never even wished that on BUSH! So, WHY would I wish it on ONE soldier who happened to be the son of a favorite poster??

When Micheal died, it hit ME like a ton of bricks! Seriously.... YOU were the first "friend" of mine who had lost a son over there. I'm SORRY that I didn't lose one, TOO, so that my grief would have MERIT with you. It was MORE than apparent to me that, having never lost anyone that close in war, "I" probably had nothing to say that could help you. But, did I not TRY?? Poems, words of sympathy, HONOR and concern! NOT to wash away some guilt that you think I own.... but, a pitiful attempt at showing care and RESPECT!

I know why.. You are like most vicious liberal loudmouths, you get all emotional and wound up in the moment and put your mouth into operation before engaging your brain. Then you like to pretend that all of the people will conveniently forget what you said in a few days so you can then pretend to support the people you just got done damning.

Dig up the quote! As I just explained to Twilight, I usually take HOURS to think about what I post before I post it! I have a semi-photographic memory, Fozzy. I'm pretty sure I remember MOST of every post I've ever MADE here! All the "alcohol and OTR" stuff.... everything I ever said to BigDiesel.... and stuff I wrote in High School! If I EVER said that Micheal SHOULD BE fragged for doing what he did, I'll apologize and LEAVE THE BOARD! Put up or SHUT up!

Well you have the right to reinvent what ever you want and you can attempt to snow whoever you want and convince them that you are anything but what you actually are.

YOU have no idea Who or what I AM! I don't recall YOU ever even asking me ANYTHING about me. I've been all over your blogsite, your listed websites, and studied Pokie's pictures just trying to FIND which one was you! Not sure why. I just have an interest in people like you. You will NEVER have any idea what I am like!

All they have to do is go into the archives to see what you are and what you do.

DIG up your "evidence." Why do you ask others to do it for you? Not everyone here likes me. I KNOW that. But, most of those who are still here have a better understanding of who I am than YOU do! MANY who have left were those who agreed with me on many things.

You have the right... that right works both ways and that's what bugs the liberal terror supporters and cowards of convenience so much.

Now, you're just babbling. Best I can tell, you just implied that EVERY voter who isn't a Conservative is a coward and a supporter of terrorism! You just "dissed" some of the greatest war heros and military vets of our nation's history! You want to exercise your right to disagree with the POTUS/CIC?? Go ahead! That's all "I" ever did!

I don't post much at all here or anywhere else, but I do have the same rights you do

I wish you WOULD post more.... like you USED to do. And yes, you have the same right to complain about the POTUS. But, it's been made VERY clear to ME that I don't have the right to attack another poster on this board for their beliefs OR to slander them. So.... YOU don't have that "right" either!

I'm just not someone who cares if you get your panties in a wad about it.

And therein lies the difference between US!

I happen to CARE about you.

[Dejanh]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

I happen to CARE about you.

But why would you care about this idiot who called you a troll. Let him rot in his hatred towards those who spoke against the illegal war, where many others lost their lives.

..leave it be and stop apologizing for something you did not do. He's obviously hyped up on steroids of some kind, and is craving for attention that no one seems to give him.


Boots on the ground...ain't it dizzy?

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Dejanh

But why would you care about this idiot who called you a troll. Let him rot in his hatred towards those who spoke against the illegal war, where many others lost their lives.

..leave it be and stop apologizing for something you did not do. He's obviously hyped up on steroids of some kind.

Dejahn.... no offense my YOUNG friend. But, this is above your paygrade.

Let it go. This is between us. I AM through apologizing.... UNLESS I am shown to have a bad memory.

I may be fighting a battle I can't win, but I will leave no one behind. Fozzy has a RIGHT to be hurt, and mad. Just not at ME.

Just do me a favor and stay clear.

Steroids? I don't think so. If I'm not mistaken (and I apologize to fozzy if I am,) I believe about 2 months ago was the anniversary of his son's death in Iraq. It is a bad time for him. It is a bad time for all of us who care.

Fozzy is a good man.