[Twilight Flyer]

Miss him? Bush's reputation might be ready for a rebound - Yahoo! News

Good reading and fairly unbiased. The article takes the middle road and lays out both sides of the coin.

An excerpt:

Surveyed in April 2008 , while he was still in office, 61 percent of historians said that Bush was the worst president in U.S. history, according to the History News Network at George Mason University in Virginia .

Yet historians also say that it can be decades before they can analyze a president's impact objectively — time for policies to take hold, for details of internal debates to become known and for partisans on both sides to leave the stage.

"You can't begin to really assess a presidency with any sort of objectivity until they've been out of office for years," said Steven Schier , a political scientist at Carleton College in Minnesota . "It will be 30 years before we can accurately assess the Bush presidency."

Something a lot of people have been saying for a long time – you might consider taking note of that.

But I will say this about Bush – I agreed with some things he did and disagreed with others. But what he did not do was attempt to turn us into a Socialist Republik like the sitting POS is attempting. And in the end, history will bear that out and you’ll find out how truly horrible this current anti-American scumbag and his criminal cronies truly are.

Manchurian candidate anyone?

[golfhobo]

Also from the same article:

Perhaps, but it's also true that Bush's standing had almost nowhere to go but up. He left office with some of the lowest approval ratings in American history, and they've changed little since.

[Twilight Flyer]

Since you missed it, I'll repeat myself:

Good reading and fairly unbiased. The article takes the middle road and lays out both sides of the coin.

I read the article. I'm quite aware of its content and am in agreement with pretty much the whole thing. I'm not saying that Bush was a bad president and I'm not saying that he was a good one. And I could do the same thing as you did and pull out some pretty damning evidence AGAINST your boy in the white house not being worthy of leading a cub scout troop, let alone our nation.

Regarding Bush, though, what I have said many times is that at the time, through two elections where he was duly and fairly elected (spare me the bogus conspiracy diaharea please), he was a helluva lot better choice than the other two options. Now, if you want to make an argument that the lesser of two evils is not the way things should be done in the voting booth, then I would go along with you on that. But at the time, that is what we had.

However, I will again make the point that whatever Bush did or did not do, right or wrong, he never did anything remotely like what the criminal-in-chief is doing. The only positive thing about the Hitler-wannabe in the white house is that he will pretty much drive the democratic party into utter extinction. And today's democratic party is an utter failure, in dire need of a complete overhaul or being fully replaced by a new party.

If you don't like that, tough beans. It is what it is and no amount of deflecting or passing the buck is going to save it.

And that is Hope and Change I can really believe in.

[Dejanh]

Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer

But what he did not do was attempt to turn us into a Socialist Republik like the sitting POS is attempting.

No, he just invaded a foreign country which has done nothing to him/us.

You know, quoting Yahoo news is awesome man, i mean, you rocked my world and changed my life......

Sooner or later your head will explode from all the hate that you have accumulated in that little mind of yours, and a cant wait to see what all will come out of it. You should take a number Mr.Batman.
And who are you to speak about Democratic party when hate doesnt allow you to se farther than your nose. My belief and love for Democrats has only grew looking at your Republicans and what they are doing, my convictions are stronger than they have ever been as well as my family's, and i cannot wait for next elections so that we can all gather up and vote together, just like we did last time around. No one in my family or any of my friends doubt Democrats the way you tell it. Your world of hate has no room for others, so keep yelling harder, you might get more attention.
You know, quoting Yahoo news is awesome man, i mean, you rocked my world and changed my life( wait, did I say that already)....


Now back to your world, hurry up, Rush is on.

[golfhobo]

Twilight Flyer said:

Since you missed it, I'll repeat myself:

No NEED to. I didn't "miss" anything.

I read the article. I'm quite aware of its content and am in agreement with pretty much the whole thing.

I read it also, and am mostly in agreement with the postition taken as to the "possibility" of a certain amount of rehabilitation.

I'm not saying that Bush was a bad president and I'm not saying that he was a good one.

Neither is the author. However, he DOES quote the statistic that the HUGE majority of Americans (many of them had to be Republicans) at the END of 8 years of "War and Bush" , when polled, voted him the worst in our history. Perhaps, with time their opinions will upgrade him to the THIRD worst president in history. That should make his mother proud! :hellno:

And I could do the same thing as you did and pull out some pretty damning evidence AGAINST your boy in the white house not being worthy of leading a cub scout troop, let alone our nation.

Yes.... but we (at YOUR bequest) are talking about DUBYA here. YOU quoted a section of the article that supported YOUR opinion or belief that he may fair better "eventually." I simply countered with a quote from the SAME article to show that BOTH opinions were discussed in the article.

Regarding Bush, though,

Awwww..... do we HAVE to? I think I'll invoke the "Disregarding" thread on this one! :lol2:

what I have said many times is that at the time, through two elections where he was duly and fairly elected (spare me the bogus conspiracy diaharea please),

I don't deal in conspiracies. There are more than enough FACTS and even SCOTUS dissenting opinions to prove that his election(s) were neither a "due process" of election nor Federal laws.... and there certainly is NOTHING "fair" about discounting the majority VOTE of both Florida AND the Nation (Gore STILL won the popular vote.)

he was a helluva lot better choice than the other two options. Now, if you want to make an argument that the lesser of two evils is not the way things should be done in the voting booth, then I would go along with you on that. But at the time, that is what we had.

We don't really KNOW how Gore would have done while 'following in the footprints' of Clinton. I am not a BIG fan of his.... but, Gore probably would have continued the fiscal responsibility that Clinton put in place (granted with the help of the GOP in congress,) and who knows if there would have even BEEN an attack on 9/11?

Sen. Kerry was probably quite well qualified for the job. Nothwithstanding the bogus "swiftboat campain," he HAD served in war, and had a LONG history of service in the Senate. Two things "YOUR BOY" could not claim.

So.... I'm not willing to concede that Dubya was the lesser of two evils, although it is possible. Oh, and BTW....

IN the voting booth, REGARDLESS of the results in a few counties in Florida (or the whole state as I recall,) Americans overwhelmingly "settled" for Gore! (as they have done for Obama.)

However, I will again make the point that whatever Bush did or did not do, right or wrong, he never did anything remotely like what the criminal-in-chief is doing.

And I will continue to state the opposite opinion. I am convinced (through a preponderance of proof,) that Bush had a Plan to invade Iraq ON THE TABLE before 9/11, and that he was just looking for an excuse. When it came along, he played his cards perfectly, getting the CIA to give him the false info that he needed to convince Congress that we needed to go to war! As a result, he has inflamed the Muslim world to a degree that we may NEVER be able to calm. And the only ones who PROFITED were big business (especially the oil industry and the MIC.)

The only positive thing about the Hitler-wannabe in the white house is that he will pretty much drive the democratic party into utter extinction. And today's democratic party is an utter failure, in dire need of a complete overhaul or being fully replaced by a new party.

You aren't listening to the same news that I am. It is the Republican party that is being SPLIT by their own aggressiveness and prejudices (and in danger of being "replaced" by the Tea Party!)

They CAME from the "wilderness" (as ALL politicos called it,) to become the Party of NO.... and that FAILED. It will fail again this fall as the economy edges upward, the immigration issue is placated, and Wall Street is finally "corralled."

If you don't like that, tough beans. It is what it is and no amount of deflecting or passing the buck is going to save it.

You really ARE "out of touch." Recent polling shows that the majority of Americans trust Obama to solve our problems 2.5 to 1 over the GOP! There are FEWER voters identifying as Republican than Democrat, and the Independents could go either way depending on RESULTS come election time.... NOT party "ideology."

And as for FIXATIONS..... YOU started THIS thread about Bush. I don't recall EVER starting an entire THREAD about Bush. YOU used THIS thread, and EVERY one you appear on, to show YOUR fixation with Obama. I made occaisional "jabs" at Dubya on various threads over dispersed time.

YOU have made continuous perjoritive comments about Obama as being someone's "BOY," or a Hitler wannabe, or un-American. I never said anything LIKE that about Dubya! IMMEDIATELY upon discovering that his "language problem" was possibly due to a mental disorder, I made a pledge (and kept it) to never again ridicule his comments (known as Bushisms,) as being proof or a result of any intellectual defficiency. And I have NEVER questioned his patriotism or citizenship!

You wanta compare YOUR record to MINE in this regard?? :hellno:

I don't THINK so!

So.... let's dispense with the inflammatory language about the POTUS, the continual MISINFORMATION about my political status, and the biblical "predictions" that I will someday soon find out that YOU are right about everything. You can't PROVE any of them, so YOUR "opinions" smell no sweeter than MINE!

[Windwalker]

Originally Posted by golfhobo

Twilight Flyer said:



No NEED to. I didn't "miss" anything.



I read it also, and am mostly in agreement with the postition taken as to the "possibility" of a certain amount of rehabilitation.



Neither is the author. However, he DOES quote the statistic that the HUGE majority of Americans (many of them had to be Republicans) at the END of 8 years of "War and Bush" , when polled, voted him the worst in our history. Perhaps, with time their opinions will upgrade him to the THIRD worst president in history. That should make his mother proud! :hellno:



Yes.... but we (at YOUR bequest) are talking about DUBYA here. YOU quoted a section of the article that supported YOUR opinion or belief that he may fair better "eventually." I simply countered with a quote from the SAME article to show that BOTH opinions were discussed in the article.



Awwww..... do we HAVE to? I think I'll invoke the "Disregarding" thread on this one! :lol2:



I don't deal in conspiracies. There are more than enough FACTS and even SCOTUS dissenting opinions to prove that his election(s) were neither a "due process" of election nor Federal laws.... and there certainly is NOTHING "fair" about discounting the majority VOTE of both Florida AND the Nation (Gore STILL won the popular vote.)



We don't really KNOW how Gore would have done while 'following in the footprints' of Clinton. I am not a BIG fan of his.... but, Gore probably would have continued the fiscal responsibility that Clinton put in place (granted with the help of the GOP in congress,) and who knows if there would have even BEEN an attack on 9/11?

Sen. Kerry was probably quite well qualified for the job. Nothwithstanding the bogus "swiftboat campain," he HAD served in war, and had a LONG history of service in the Senate. Two things "YOUR BOY" could not claim.

So.... I'm not willing to concede that Dubya was the lesser of two evils, although it is possible. Oh, and BTW....

IN the voting booth, REGARDLESS of the results in a few counties in Florida (or the whole state as I recall,) Americans overwhelmingly "settled" for Gore! (as they have done for Obama.)



And I will continue to state the opposite opinion. I am convinced (through a preponderance of proof,) that Bush had a Plan to invade Iraq ON THE TABLE before 9/11, and that he was just looking for an excuse. When it came along, he played his cards perfectly, getting the CIA to give him the false info that he needed to convince Congress that we needed to go to war! As a result, he has inflamed the Muslim world to a degree that we may NEVER be able to calm. And the only ones who PROFITED were big business (especially the oil industry and the MIC.)



You aren't listening to the same news that I am. It is the Republican party that is being SPLIT by their own aggressiveness and prejudices (and in danger of being "replaced" by the Tea Party!)

They CAME from the "wilderness" (as ALL politicos called it,) to become the Party of NO.... and that FAILED. It will fail again this fall as the economy edges upward, the immigration issue is placated, and Wall Street is finally "corralled."



You really ARE "out of touch." Recent polling shows that the majority of Americans trust Obama to solve our problems 2.5 to 1 over the GOP! There are FEWER voters identifying as Republican than Democrat, and the Independents could go either way depending on RESULTS come election time.... NOT party "ideology."

And as for FIXATIONS..... YOU started THIS thread about Bush. I don't recall EVER starting an entire THREAD about Bush. YOU used THIS thread, and EVERY one you appear on, to show YOUR fixation with Obama. I made occaisional "jabs" at Dubya on various threads over dispersed time.

YOU have made continuous perjoritive comments about Obama as being someone's "BOY," or a Hitler wannabe, or un-American. I never said anything LIKE that about Dubya! IMMEDIATELY upon discovering that his "language problem" was possibly due to a mental disorder, I made a pledge (and kept it) to never again ridicule his comments (known as Bushisms,) as being proof or a result of any intellectual defficiency. And I have NEVER questioned his patriotism or citizenship!

You wanta compare YOUR record to MINE in this regard?? :hellno:

I don't THINK so!

So.... let's dispense with the inflammatory language about the POTUS, the continual MISINFORMATION about my political status, and the biblical "predictions" that I will someday soon find out that YOU are right about everything. You can't PROVE any of them, so YOUR "opinions" smell no sweeter than MINE!

I'm sure glad we don't have any larger supply of words than we do. I can just imagine if you had written all this in Greek. I'd have had to go to the bathroom 4 times, instead of just 3.:smokin:

[robertt]

Originally Posted by Windwalker

I'm sure glad we don't have any larger supply of words than we do. I can just imagine if you had written all this in Greek. I'd have had to go to the bathroom 4 times, instead of just 3.:smokin:

:toilet: :toilet: :toilet:

[Roadhog]

Hobo needs to realize in writing, it’s important to remember that dangling sentences.
Please Hobo, proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

[golfhobo]

Originally Posted by Roadhog

Hobo needs to realize in writing, it’s important to remember that dangling sentences.
Please Hobo, proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

Proofread, which is actuallly about my 5th.... completed. No danglers noticed. Am I missing something?

[Roadhog]

Originally Posted by Hobo

Am I missing something?

Well?? now that you mention it...

Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat.)
Foreign words and phrases are not always apropos.
Avoid excessive use of ampersands & abbrevs., etc.
It is important to use italics for emphasis sparingly.