Well, for the record robertt, I don't know you and I don't have a problem with you. I disagree with some of your viewpoints and you some of mine. I think that's healthy, indeed, most of my best friends have viewpoints different to my own and I live with a girl who also had viewpoints different to my own. She's wrong of course, but I don't hold it against her.

As far as I am concerned, we're good.

 

Preciate it! Me too. :thumbsup:

You live with a girl who HAD viewpoints different to your own? Does that mean she's on her way out? Or have you turned her to the DARK side? opsI know it's a misprint)

 

You may disagree with him all you want, but the courts have decided that "burning the flag" during demonstrations comes under the heading of "freedom of speech" in that it demonstrates an expression of emotion (I believe). So, by the same token, wearing a flag would also suggest expressing the support of one's country. So, while I do not support burning the flag during demonstrations against something this country is doing, I could certainly find it easier to accept someone wearing a flag printed on a t-shirt to express support for the country.

So, when it comes to wearing the flag on clothing, I would believe you won't get any further than the ones that were arrested for burning the flag and stamping on it.

In the words of Johnny Cash, I'm pretty damned proud of that" tattered old flag".

"....We don't take no trips on LSD...
We still raise "OLD GLORY" down at the courthouse,
And, white lightening is still the biggest thrill of all..."

 

I agree with Twilight Flyer. I don't see anything wrong with shirts, hats, signs, stickers on trucks that represent the American flag. I never cared too much for hats that have the American flag embroidered on them. I always thought that looked silly. I believe having a shirt, or sign etc is a way to show your pride. Like Twilight Flyer said, if you take the actual flag and use it for a shirt, or whatever.. I don't think that is right at all.


Merle Haggard.

 

Well.... I CAN'T agree with Twilight! :eek2:

That would be INSANE! :lol::lol2:

But like he once told me.... "even a blind squirrel gets a nut now and then!" ........ :rofl:

So, I think Robertt is right when HE says that Twilight is right about the distinction between using an ACTUAL flag, or any part "removed" from an actual flag AS clothing, drapery, UNIFORMS or sleeper berth curtains.... as opposed to "any" painted or imprinted clothing that SHOWS the American flag AS IT APPEARS.

Windy is also correct about the courts "protecting" the rights of "Free Speech" for them "commie flagburners."

So when YOU, Ptarmigan, say:

... I assume you stipulate that freedom of expression is the same as freedom of speech, and therefore...

If you are correct (and I defer) that the First Ammendment (which is part of the Constitution,) prevails over any U.S. Code that COULD be challenged and found inviolate by the SCOTUS.... for purposes of this argument OR possible upcoming litigation...

... not ONLY are the actions of the school administrators Unconstitutional, but so is the Flag code itself. (Whew! Take a whiz, Windy!) :lol:

So, whereas the Flag code DOES distinguish (or at least clearly define) an actual flag being used improperly from any "representation" of the flag, it really is a moot point because the entire injunction of the code itself is ... in YOUR words... "trumped" by our FIRST right of free speech. atriot:

Which, in my humbly opinionated conclusion, makes it unconstitutional. :bigthink:

 

I can't remember the name of the cartoon, but my son was watching one, Saturday morning. (He's nearly 2years old) I wasn't paying any attention. I was probably on CAD, or something.
The phone rang (in the cartoon) and the guy answered, "Hola?" Then he said, "Ohh..buenos dias... good morning, Mrs. Smith. How are you? Si. We can fixy the problem. Mucho bueno, very good senora. (Blah blah something) We'll be there in a minute."
I was like, what in the world???
My wife asked what the problem was, and I pointed at the TV and I said, "That!" She said (the name of the cartoon, which I forgot) and said, "Charlie loves that!" I said, "I don't." My wife asked me what my problem was, and I told her that I didn't want my son speaking that crap! She said something about them teaching spanish in schools now. I said, "I never had a lesson, and it didn't hurt me none."
I told her that I'm sure it will be ok for the time being, but I don't need him to run around the house speaking it. I said, "You watch, when he starts talking (like us), the first thing he's gonna say is, "Buenos nachos". :eek2:
It's pretty sad... you got spanish channels, and you got cartoons speaking spanish on the American channels.

 

The whole speaking Spanish is an interesting conundrum. I don’t speak it and will not take the time to learn it. My reasons are pretty simple. If I want to learn it, it will be because I WANT to learn a foreign language, not because I HAVE to learn it to communicate with people in MY country. And whenever and IF ever I get to that point, it would probably be Italian or Latin, because those languages are more appealing to me.

I won’t learn Spanish because of where this country is. This is America. We speak many dialects of the English language. Legal immigrants, when they come to this country, take the time to learn the language and become part of this country. That’s the way that it should be. However, we have so catered to the illegal immigrant today and everyone is bending over backwards to accommodate them. If I immigrate to Italy, I would be expected to learn the Italian language and rightfully so. I just don’t understand why there’s a different standard here.

So I have no problem with people speaking Spanish. I have a problem with people relegating our country’s language to second tier status in order to accommodate people that will not enter this country legally and are not willing to become part of our culture. So, it’s a matter of principle.

But my daughter speaks Spanish…she’s an honors student in that class and speaks it extremely well. I have no problem with that. While I am adamant in my stance of “this being America, learn to speak English!”, I have no problem with her choosing to learn that as a language as it is her choice. At least it’s not French. LOL!

 

Jackrabbit379 said:

So, you are admitting that you let CAD take you AWAY from spending time with your son? [Don't get MAD, Rabbit. I'm only asking you to THINK.]

I assume the character was Hispanic. So, he answered as he WOULD in his language, and THEN he gave the translation! He was teaching both YOU and your child the language.

This IS "the world" today, Rabbit! America has ALWAYS had a large Hispanic contingency.... they just had to learn English. Now that so many illegals are here, it is easier for them to speak their "native" language. MOST of them WANT to learn English, but they can only DO SO if they are allowed to attend Amercian Schools.

COULD it be.... that your son will be faced with this language barrier every day, and with the SPIRIT of an American wants to LEARN sometihing he doesn't KNOW?

Your WIFE seems to understand, but she has to BOW to your adamant claim that, regardless of the economic disparity to him, he SHOULDN'T "learn" this language! The World is changing, Rabbit. Those who don't learn to be "multi-cultural" and "Bi-Lingual" will be disadvantaged. Is THAT what you want for your child?

But, you drive a "dedicated route" don't you? Is this the LIMIT of the World you wish on your child? Wouild you LIMIT him to the world you have known in YOUR lifetime?

I understand your fear. But, it is misplaced. From what you say, he is not even SPEAKING yet.... and you fear that he will speak SPANISH before he speaks English. This is unreasonable.

He will LEARN to speak the dominant language of his family.... like ALL children DO! Do you BLAME a chld for a "sociological reality?"

YOUR son will have to interact with these children from a different background. Do you want him to LEAD with knowledge and understanding? Or be left behind due to "linguistic challenges?"

I pay a small fortune for an ENTIRE "cable service," including porn, movie channels, and all other channels. I find that the Spanish speaking channels are about 1%.

Is an "American channel" something like a "whites ONLY" lunchcounter?

Do we have to do the "civil rights act" all over again?

?????

 

Handy Manny, and Dora the Explorer does it too and their is a dinasour one that speaks spanish also (I have a 4yr old). "The little Einstiens" does a bit where there is a "mean jet guy" that chases them around and it just happens to resemble an US Air Force F-15. Not that a 3 or 4yr old would know the difference, but "they" are starting mighty early teaching OUR kids about the "bad" military.

Shouldn't we be teaching and learning Chinease anyway?

 

Handy Manny! That's it!

Hobo, I was never too good at quoting all those quotes. :lol:
Very interesting.. :thumbsup:
I want my son to have the best in life. Even if that means him saying, "Hola Senoritas. Mucho Bonita." :hellno:
Seriously, I want him to go to college, and get his education. I wouldn't want him to be a truck driver, or anything like that. :eek2: I do not want him to be limited to anything, unless that limit is his success in life. :lol:
I don't take my time away from him. I spend all the time I can with him. When I log onto CAD, it's because he's over at my parent's or sleeping. I believe I got online Saturday morning to check the weather or something. I wasn't neglecting him, nor ignoring him.. Thanks for saying that, Hobo. I can imagine how the internet of today can keep parents from spending time with their family..
I probably should have ignored the cartoon, nor said anything here, but I speak my mind.
Anyway. Carry on...