Obama's REAL Agenda...

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Originally Posted by Jackrabbit379
That doesn't sound good. :hellno:
I hope they don't pass it, from the way it sounds. I like my insurance the way it is.
According to most polls, in excess of 80 percent of Americans are happy and satisfied with their current healthcare coverage, so you are surely not in the minority. However, even though 80 percent of Americans are happy and satisfied with their current healthcare coverage, the Obama administration and the Dhimmicrat majority Congress tells us there is a healthcare crisis in America and that passing healthcare reform and onerous Cap and Trade legislation to prevent bogus Climate Change are our countries two biggest priorities today. Imagine that.

Never mind the fact that our national debt when you include unfunded federal mandates is more than we can ever hope to pay back, that the federal government is going to spend more than $1.8 trillion this year than it takes in and that Obama ration care and onerous Cap and Trade legislation will cause those out of control budget deficits to exponentially balloon and skyrocket in the future.

In any event, it should be obvious to most reasonable Americans that getting our fiscal financial house in order should be our top priority and the way to do that is to boost economic growth ASAP by creating incentives for the economy to grow so that federal revenues can climb back up to previous levels and continue rising. In addition, economic incentives also need to be accompanied by serious budget cuts in order to help bring our financial house back in order.

Yet, that is not what the Obama administration is trying to do. Instead it is trying to pass a massive new federal entitlement under the Trojan horse of healthcare reform, even though we already can’t afford the entitlements we already have, and this new federal healthcare entitlement will massively increase federal deficits in the future at the same time that it also raises taxes during an economic recession that not only will inevitably harm economic growth now but also in the future as well.

Then add to that onerous Cap and Trade legislation to stop bogus Climate Change that inevitably will cause energy and fuel cost in America to skyrocket for everyone on top of making every good and service in America increase at the same time as everyone scrambles to pass on their new additional cost of doing business to everyone else.

In other words, Obama’s current priorities if allowed to pass and come to fruition will amount to another massive economic disaster unlike anything we have ever experienced before. Then add on to that Obama’s other top priority item still waiting in the wings on his agenda, which is his plan to provide amnesty for over 24 million illegal aliens along with their families and to thereby create the incentives to flood America with millions of new immigrants from south of the border in the future.

Not to mention also that because our federal government has been completely hijacked and co-opted by political correct leftists, the so-called war on terror and the way we are going about fighting it and protecting our homeland from future Islamic terrorist attacks are not only needlessly super expensive but they are about as idiotic, delusional, and fantasy based as it possibly can get since out of misguided political correct multiculturalism our leftwing hijacked federal government refuses to study and learn what Islam really is, much less understand how to effectively combat it within our financial means.

In other words, it is obvious that Obama and the Dhimmicrats are trying to deliberately overwhelm the system in order to bring it down, as the left does not see itself as citizens of the USA but instead as citizens of the world, and their intention as psychotic as it may sound to many of us is to create one world governance by bringing down America which will inevitably bring down the rest of the world with it as well, and then to create one world governance under the auspices of Marxism and of course Islam, which is why the left has been allied with Islam for decades, then eventually Islam alone as the Muslims will easily kill off the delusional leftist useful idiots.
 
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:08 AM
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Under the Obama program you either get insurance or go to jail. They want to move everyone to a total dependency on the government. It makes you wonder with the majority of Americans waking up to see this for what it is and not wanting it, how can they continue the direction they are taking? They have the most momentum they have ever had in this country. They meaning the Marxists. You can call them Socialists if it makes you more comfortable. This country had been the envy of the world ever since it's inception. People flock here because of the freedom and opportunity that has been offered in America. They is rapidly changing under this administration. A reliance on the government takes the incentive to produce away from the people. This type of government or ideology simply doesn't work. While capitalism has it's own set of problems, it is still the best system in the world. It has produced the highest standard of living the world has ever known. That will change under "The New World Order." This is nothing new. We have always had tyrants. There will always be those who are obsessed with power. To get and keep that power they want to dominate the rest of the people. This health care fraud is nothing more than the means to make the people subservient to the government. If you notice congress makes itself exempt from this health care bill. If you check deeper into how they conduct their business, they have exempted themselves from many laws which they pass for the rest of us to abide.
 
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GMAN
Under the Obama program you either get insurance or go to jail.
Total Bullchit.... and a LIE. Probably not GMAN's lie.... just one he swallowed from one of his conservative news sources. :hellno:
 
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by golfhobo
Total Bullchit.... and a LIE. Probably not GMAN's lie.... just one he swallowed from one of his conservative news sources. :hellno:

You need to turn off "Air America" and go read the bill. It IS there and if you would quit listening to your far left "news source" and think for yourself for a change you might actually put together a somewhat logical reply and stop sounding like one of those fools that are running the house and senate at the present.:roll:
 
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I hear there's going to be free Hookers at the Climate Change Scam in Gropenhagen.

Seems fitting for a global warming campaign slogan... "Everybody's gonna get "
 
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
You need to turn off "Air America" and go read the bill. It IS there and if you would quit listening to your far left "news source" and think for yourself for a change you might actually put together a somewhat logical reply and stop sounding like one of those fools that are running the house and senate at the present.:roll:

The way the current bill reads is that you can spend up to 5 years in jail for non compliance. If you don't buy their insurance you will be fined. If you fail to pay the fine you go to jail. You really should read the bill, golfhobo.
 
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:47 AM
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So you really believe that the country will prosecute the masses who are unable to afford to purchase insurance and place them in our already over crowed jails..
Now that is the best laugh I have had all year....
It will never happen....
"Hey Bubba what are you in here for" "well man I didnt buy the insurance" "Ok Bubba bend over this is going to hurt you more then me"

Yea Right this country will never allow anything of that sort to happen regardless of what the bill states. A case like that will get thrown out of court with in one month, any attorney with half a brain could argue this case.32
You conservative guys will think what you want to, state what you want to, and believe what you want to just as we will whatever you want to classify us as... the cycle continues, nothing wil ever be solved,

It is such a fricking joke that all I can do is laugh...
Gman for the record this administration is not the only one who has screwed up or has hidden agendas, they all have at one point or another and again ther finger pointing continues it is so amazing that our country has come to this point..

It is really sad to witness.


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Originally Posted by GMAN
The way the current bill reads is that you can spend up to 5 years in jail for non compliance. If you don't buy their insurance you will be fined. If you fail to pay the fine you go to jail. You really should read the bill, golfhobo.
I can't believe that we have a president that would do such a thing.
 
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Originally Posted by TimberWolf
So you really believe that the country will prosecute the masses who are unable to afford to purchase insurance and place them in our already over crowed jails..
Now that is the best laugh I have had all year....
It will never happen....
"Hey Bubba what are you in here for" "well man I didn't buy the insurance" "OK Bubba bend over this is going to hurt you more then me"

Yea Right this country will never allow anything of that sort to happen regardless of what the bill states. A case like that will get thrown out of court with in one month, any attorney with half a brain could argue this case.32
You conservative guys will think what you want to, state what you want to, and believe what you want to just as we will whatever you want to classify us as... the cycle continues, nothing Will ever be solved,

It is such a fricking joke that all I can do is laugh...
Gman for the record this administration is not the only one who has screwed up or has hidden agendas, they all have at one point or another and again their finger pointing continues it is so amazing that our country has come to this point..

It is really sad to witness.


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One thing that I can tell you with absolute certainty is that if there is a law on the books, it will be used. My guess is that they will probably prosecute a handful and get the media involved to scare the rest of the populace into compliance. Another scenario is that the people will revolt and over throw the government. If it is law then the judges have an obligation to obey the law. If it is law and a prosecutor refuses to enforce the law then he could find himself behind bars or at least out of a job.

What you liberals don't seem to realize is that this current crop of crooks are changing America. That is their goal. I agree that there has been corruption and wrong doing by previous administrations of both parties. This is the first time since FDR that they have actually attempted to force such a dramatic change and restructure our society. This is a war between ideologies. Neither the democrats or republicans have been following our constitution. We would be debt free and have a much smaller government had the constitution been followed.

What amazes me most is how many of you still have your heads stuck in the sand. Wake up and see what is happening around you. You may want to read the Constitution sometime and then compare that to what our government has become. We should never have set up Social Security. It was the beginning of a reliance on the government. This country was not built on socialist ideals. It was built on freedom. Our ancestors came here for opportunity. They didn't come for a handout from the government. These handouts only started a few decades ago. Now you have thousands, if not millions who come to this country in hopes of getting a handout from our government.

Liberals don't seem to be able to connect the dots between big government and taxes. The bigger the government the more taxes it requires to support. The more programs that the government provides the more taxes are required to pay for it. Expanding government is not real job growth. The only way to really grow an economy is through private business. In fact, most new job growth comes from small businesses. Small businesses are the backbone of this economy. And this administration is doing everything they can to destroy small business. Just look at the recent so called jobs summit Obama held. One would think that he would have invited businessmen to get their views. After all, it is private businesses who will provide jobs. Instead, he invited labor leaders and people from academia. These people know nothing about providing jobs. This summit shows just how out of touch this administration is with reality. To my knowledge he didn't have any businessmen at the summit. It was all smoking mirrors. But, I am sure that you liberals think this type of summit is great.

Businesses who might be hiring are not doing so, in part, due to the pending health insurance bill. If they are required to provide insurance for employees then they Will likely reduce personnel or cut wages to offset the extra cost. I am amazed at how liberals want all these little goodies that someone else has to pay for, but don't understand that if their employer has to pay out extra money or provide mandated benefits, then there is less that can be allocated for wages. If we want true equality in this country then the flat tax or value added tax would be the most fair. Just because someone makes more money doesn't necessarily mean that they should pay a higher portion of income taxes than someone who makes less. Most people with money provide jobs and give to charity. When they have to pay more in taxes there is less for both. When you get the government involved that takes more money for the bureaucracy so less money gets to those who need it.

This congress and administration is so out of touch that they have no idea how much rage there is in this country. If they are successful in pushing through this health care bill there will be a heavy price for them to pay.
 
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:56 AM
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I often wonder how those democrats, and lefties feel about that change we got.
 
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