Roadhog said: Hobro,

This is interesting information and I will take it to heart. It doesn't change the fact that they EXIST because the Republicans LIE so much! As for "formal background or experience in investigative research"..... need I post the biography of Glenn Beck? :eek2::hellno:

This is an interesting point. How can Republicans harp on, and base their political strategy on, the fact that DEMS are the ones for BIG GOV'T.... when THEY are for the same thing?

Thanks to YOUR expose of Snopes.... I have become TWO of the three monkeys! However, I don't believe Scuzzybotch was a "plant." She is one of the FEW Republicans who still have a conscience.... and she saw the Conservative invasion for what it was.

You know? For YEARS I didn't even SEE this "bias" of the media that is of such interest today. Doesn't mean I was buying what they said hook, line and sinker. But, anyone who thinks FOXnews is "fair and balanced" or unbiased, has their head in the sand. Even the owner, Murdoch has admitted it. As I said... I LIKE Fox. But, I believe IT is responsible for the downfall of journalism in general, and the media specifically.




Regretfully, I must tend to agree. It has always been the effort of governments to control the media. Look at Stalin, Kruschev, and that guy in Germany (I didn't invoke his name!)

I tend to believe ONLY the comics! Jon Stewart, Jay Leno, Dave Letterman, etc. If you want to know if something the government says passes the "smell test," tune into late night T.V. THERE, you will hear the truth! :lol2:

Glen Beck, Shaun Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Keith Olberman (much as I like him) have reduced the NEWS media to a re-run of the Jerry Springer Show! issedoff:

I MISS Chet, David, and Walter! Though I now have to question their skills as well. Were THEY being "used" by the government? I don't think so. I blame it all on Woodward and Bernstein. Not until THEM did the government realize the POWER of the media to FIND the truth.... or to distort it.

God (if there IS one) help us all! There's not a MAN with integrity left among us!

Hobo

 

The problem with the Republicans is they have become hijacked by liberals and as a result afflicted with political correct multiculturalism. Thus, instead of defeating our enemies, creating deterrence, and then going home, they want to pursue endless fantasy based nation-building missions to win the hearts and minds of the enemies because they are obsessed with the image they project to the world.

It could be worse though; at least they are not as bad as the useful idiot left, which takes ignorance, obliviousness, and naivety to the extreme.

 

It’s not like district 23 wasn’t an exceedingly liberal district to begin with. Nevertheless, the two new Republican governorships are a preview of things to come.

Don’t get me wrong, I wish Obama was a little more competent so that the Republican Party could be pushed back to the right, but because Obama is so incompetent he is making it too easy for Republicans and thus it will be much harder to push the Republican Party back to the right.

 

Hobro,
It was interesting you brought up that piece about Sean Hannity reporting on Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (R-MN) spur of the moment rally on the health care reform bill. That was one report that infuriated me, and one example why I claimed "I'm hearing crap come out of Fox News as well." It really astounds me, they have to inflate the numbers to give this any importance. I heard the "real numbers" were around 10,000. What the hell...even if only 5,000 people showed up on a spur of the moment event...is that not huge? People are out of work and struggling to pay bills, and not loose all they have worked for their entire lives! How many of us can run off to a rally? Doesn't mean we don't support them.

It just makes me sick how Journalists and Politicians are running game on us. The Politician's love having the general population so overwhelmed with struggles and never-ending political caos, so they can have a shiny object in one hand while they do their misdeeds with the other hand. The media protects them. They either do not expose what is really happening, or they distort it so badly, it takes you days, weeks to find out the "real truth." American politics and the media are in the same bed. Don't get me started on Unions, big business, foreign interests, community organizations, IRS, Fed. Reserve, and Trans-nationalists.

Yes I do believe both the Republican party and the Democrat party are much the same. It really matters not, which party is in office. I hated half of what Sen. John McCain (AZ. R) stood for, and over the last year listening to him and what his campaign did to Gov. Sarah Palin (AK. R) I've about lost all respect for him entirely. I did vote for him, but felt sick to my gut for doing it. I believe he would have damaged our Country as well...only just much slower. Both political parties in America SUCK and are filthy liars and criminals, and I hate about 90-95% of them. Even my classmate Rep. Bart Stupak, Michigan (D) gets an ear full from me. We go way back, but I'm not sure I'll vote for him when he runs for Governor of Michigan in 2010.

I was a conservative Democrat most of my life, but have witnessed this liberal slide since the 70's and have watched it very closely. Not until the last couple years have I broken rule and started to speak out about my personal beliefs. Who among us can stand by any longer?

As far as Fox news, I have allot of respect for Beck, O'Rielly, Van Susteren, Cavuto, Hume, Baier, and many of the contributors like Judge Napalitano, Ann Colter, Bernie Goldberg, Michelle Mulkin and others. But I do hear things from them I do not fully agree with. I am always disturbed by conservative bias and misrepresentation of facts! I want the straight news...period, and be able to decide for myself what I believe in.

All those comedians you mentioned are liberals. I am one of the very few conservative comedians on the planet. Therefore I would starve. I especially will not listen to Letterman, Stewart and Colbert. (bottom feeders) :moon:

 

I would prefer if ALL the media simply reported the news without commentary. I don't need them to interpret what I just heard. I can do that for myself. Neither party is doing what they need to do for this country. They all seem to do what is in their personal best interest. Just a hint of this was when they gave themselves a big pay raise and golden parachute retirement after one term in office. And that came when we were in the middle of our depression or recession, depending on whose definition you want to believe. I don't have a problem with political commentary at the end of a newscast. I do have a problem with them constantly giving commentary on what they are reporting. I think we need a good third party to give the two major parties a run for their money. Ross Perot had the best chance in recent years to start a new party. As long as we continue to elect lawyers to legislative office we will continue to have the problems we are seeing. We need to find men of conviction who vote their conscience, not their personal pocketbooks. And we need to hold them accountable. Perhaps this fiasco will wake up enough Americans that we can take back our country.

 

I've thought about the notion of a third party, and I don't believe it will ever work.
If there is any redemption, we would have to reform the Democratic and Republican parties.
Odds of that are like making them vote in term limits. :tears:

 

The two parties are so entrenched that it would be difficult for a third party to really make an impact. I think the only way we will see term limits from congress is to put it on the ballot across the country and have the people vote on it. Even then, there will likely be a revolt from congress. :argue:

 

I think that I was most happy with Reagan. I did well under his administration as well as with Nixon. Nixon was actually one of our better presidents, although he will likely most be remembered by the scandal over the breaking of Democratic HQ and the subsequent cover up. I doubt that we would be having some of the problems with China and a few others were he still running the country.

I believe that most of us who grew up during the 1950's and 1960's have had a distrust of our government since the JFK assassination and subsequent cover up. No one believed the Warren Commission findings. I think prior to that time we mostly trusted our elected representatives and government. Our suspicion and distrust has only grown since. This administration is likely to bring this country to a boiling point with a new high for governmental distrust. And it has nothing to do with party affiliation. Keep in mind that we had 3 major assassinations within a very short time frame. John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy were all publicly assassinated within only a few years. With Vietnam going strong, this country was in turmoil. This country changed during the decade of the 1960's. It is nothing like the changes we are now seeing.

 

GMAN,

One problem with a third party candidate is what is their "real story?"
Take recent NJ Governor race Independent candidate Chris Daggett. Who was backing him? and how many times do we hear of an Independent candidate used to steal away votes from one party or the other. Just so much corruption these days, I can not feel comfortable with a three party system, unless we are successful at rehabilitating these political thugs and their criminal campaign organizers. Again, I can no longer see much happening in a positive direction in this Country. The ongoing insanity and corruption is so entrenched, widespread, and overwhelming.

Hell, they are even now playing politics with the 911 terrorists. For Gods sake...all the Democratic BS over this is utterly disgusting. The Democrats claim...well why didn't the Bush administration convict these guys? Democrats are history revisionists, and the TRUTH is being spelled out right now. Even that jackass Holder has to admit he knows they are guilty. But he has promised to put the Bush administration and the CIA on trial. WHY? hmmmm seems perfect to have a 3-4 year CIRCUS diversion to use as needed. I don't believe this is about convicting these terrorists. Most Americans can see that, regardless of what the Democrats so desperately wish to believe. Had the liberals not played political games, these creeps would probably already have swung from a rope. This is a National disgrace.

 

I think you are right about a third party swaying the election. That is likely what happened when Perot ran a few elections ago. But we have to start somewhere. A third party would probably benefit one party or another. One problem with a third party is financing. Both the major parties have so many resources that it would be difficult for a third party to compete. Then again, Obama was able to raise many millions of dollars from unknown contributors via the Internet that probably swayed the election for him. The extra spending the Obama camp spend during the last few weeks likely made the difference. The McCain people ran out of money. Corruption is rampant in both parties and at every level of government. The majority of people have not even bothered to vote for so long that these politicians have had free reign and no one to hold them accountable that they think that they can do anything that they want with impunity. We don't have to SETTLE for what is offered. If we get people involved in our political process then there still may be time to turn things around.

There is absolutely NO reason why these terrorists should be brought to New York to stand trial. It is nothing but a political football game and grandstanding by these politicians. Security is likely to be a major problem and from reports that I heard this morning it will cost a fortune and create a nightmare for commuters and businesses in the area. Not only that but it will put it will also be difficult for the survivors with the daily media reports. These people should be ashamed to put these families thorough this circus.