Goodbye America
#21
04-20-2009, 01:31 AM
So now that we have a government that will soon tell us when we can go to the restroom, live, die etc.
I just hope that we Texans realize and do something about it before it is too late. Rick Perry gave a pretty good speach, but I think the threat should have been a little bit stronger, like Texas being on its own again.. I am saddened to see the America I love, run by a bunch of power hungry idiots, who take away the rights of the people who had put them in office to begin with. The Word is comming to past, and right befor the eye's they still deny it. So I guess I will put on my tin hat, and grab my gun and defend my right and family, when it is time. Tyranny in the making and a paved road for the Anti-Christ. And in the making Anyone who thinks diffrently from our new government and president are considered terrorist. I see a civil war comming, but then again we Lazy people will just sit by and take it I am sure.. Here are 3 links One of Texas Governer calling out the Fedral Government. Then the document of the same thing; the next and last is just one of my update post on the same subject.. Office of the Governor Rick Perry - Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment 81(R) HCR 50 - Introduced version - Bill Text Prophecy News Watch - Biblical Prophecy in the News Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists' - but just who are 'right-wing extremists'? A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats. The report, titled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, states that "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts." However, the document, first reported by talk-radio host and WND columnist Roger Hedgecock, goes on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks." The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration." "The consequences of a prolonged economic downturn – including real estate foreclosures, unemployment and an inability to obtain credit – could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past," the report says. It adds that "growth in these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy and the continued U.S. standing as the pre-eminent world power." "Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government," the report continues. "The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement." Most notable is the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans. "Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities." The report cites the April 4 shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh as an example of what may be coming, claiming the alleged gunman holds a racist ideology and believes in anti-government conspiracy theories about gun confiscations, citizen detention camps and "a Jewish-controlled 'one-world government.'"
It also suggests the election of an African-American president and the prospect of his policy changes "are proving to be a driving force for right-wing extremist recruitment and radicalization." The report also mentions "'end times' prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as the violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement." "DHS/I&A assesses that right-wing extremist groups' frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence," the report continues. The report states the DHS will be working with state and local partners over the next several months to determine the levels of right-wing extremist activity in the U.S. Last month, the chief of the Missouri highway patrol blasted a report issued by the Missouri Information Analysis Center that linked conservative groups to domestic terrorism, assuring that such reports no longer will be issued. The report had been compiled with the assistance of DHS.
The report warned law enforcement agencies to watch for suspicious individuals who may have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin. It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with "radical" ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion and federal taxes. Chief James Keathley of the Missouri State Patrol issued a statement that the release of the report, which outraged conservatives nationwide, prompted him to "take a hard look" at the procedures through which the report was released by the MIAC. "My review of the procedures used by the MIAC in the three years since its inception indicates that the mechanism in place for oversight of reports needs improvement," he wrote. "Until two weeks ago, the process for release of reports from the MIAC to law enforcement officers around the state required no review by leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol or the Department of Public Safety." "For that reason, I have ordered the MIAC to permanently cease distribution of the militia report," he said. "Further, I am creating a new process for oversight of reports drafted by the MIAC that will require leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol and the Department of Public Safety to review the content of these reports before they are shared with law enforcement. My office will also undertake a review of the origin of the report by MIAC." What I've read sounds more like propaganda to incite a civil war than a way to insure the safety and integrety of our country. There are already enough people that go off half cocked for less reason than that. They're going to have a whole lot of people that have known each other for many years, looking at each other with suspicious eyes. And, having extremist groups recruit veterans is nothing new. They were doing that 40 years ago. One of them, up in Idaho, was lead by the one man with the most medals ever to come out of the Viet Nam War. But, they have their mountain top, and don't bother anyone. You don't even hear about them. (Actually, I think the Feds are afraid to do anything about them because of the information that might be made public if they did.) The fact that the DHS put this out is more scary than the extremist groups themselves. 
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#22
04-20-2009, 01:34 AM
I agree, these are the types of reports that SHOULD stay classified to prevent issues!
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#23
04-20-2009, 09:14 AM
Okay, you want to secede. You'll have to pay the rest of us back for a lot of your infrastructure--highways, military bases, hospitals (do you think we're just going to give them to you?), and all manner of things paid for by those of us in the other 49. How will you pay? Your credit won't be any good. Where are you going to get the cash?
Why not just quit the Union altogether and leave? Anywhere you go you'll find--gulp!--taxes and government. Right now, there's just one place where you run to and forget about taxes and government. It's called Somalia, which may well be Swahili for "This place really sucks." (Hell, if you set up your own state you'll need organizations that benefit your people and you'll have to pay for them. You'll still be looking at taxes and government.) Personally, I'm glad I'm able to pay taxes and I don't think government's "too big," and I don't mind helping those less fortunate than I am. No, it's not perfect, but secession won't fix that. Want highways? Government. Want to fight wars half-way around the world? Government. Want health and medical research? Sanitary sewer systems? Safe water? Police and fire departments? Government. Government. Government. If your real beef is that there's a black Democrat in the White House and you didn't vote for him and you're ticked off about that, then come right out with it. Did you folks squawk about "big government" when Bush sat in the Oval Office? Think about what happened here the last time big guys convinced little guys they should secede--one American civil war was enough. Think about the former Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing and Serbs and Croats and brothers and former neighbors at each other's throats. Think about the economic dislocation that followed their self-indulgent little spat. I freakin' hate politics, but this unpatriotic self-righteous bully-boy talk about breaking up our country really ticks me off. We've got it better than anyone else on the planet. Quit bitching. Or catch the next freighter to Somalia.
#24
04-20-2009, 09:47 AM
Okay, you want to secede. You'll have to pay the rest of us back for a lot of your infrastructure--highways, military bases, hospitals (do you think we're just going to give them to you?), and all manner of things paid for by those of us in the other 49. How will you pay? Your credit won't be any good. Where are you going to get the cash?
Why not just quit the Union altogether and leave? Anywhere you go you'll find--gulp!--taxes and government. Right now, there's just one place where you run to and forget about taxes and government. It's called Somalia, which may well be Swahili for "This place really sucks." (Hell, if you set up your own state you'll need organizations that benefit your people and you'll have to pay for them. You'll still be looking at taxes and government.) Personally, I'm glad I'm able to pay taxes and I don't think government's "too big," and I don't mind helping those less fortunate than I am. No, it's not perfect, but secession won't fix that. Want highways? Government. Want to fight wars half-way around the world? Government. Want health and medical research? Sanitary sewer systems? Safe water? Police and fire departments? Government. Government. Government. If your real beef is that there's a black Democrat in the White House and you didn't vote for him and you're ticked off about that, then come right out with it. Did you folks squawk about "big government" when Bush sat in the Oval Office? Think about what happened here the last time big guys convinced little guys they should secede--one American civil war was enough. Think about the former Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing and Serbs and Croats and brothers and former neighbors at each other's throats. Think about the economic dislocation that followed their self-indulgent little spat. I freakin' hate politics, but this unpatriotic self-righteous bully-boy talk about breaking up our country really ticks me off. We've got it better than anyone else on the planet. Quit bitching. Or catch the next freighter to Somalia.
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#25
04-20-2009, 12:05 PM
Okay, you want to secede. You'll have to pay the rest of us back for a lot of your infrastructure--highways, military bases, hospitals (do you think we're just going to give them to you?), and all manner of things paid for by those of us in the other 49. How will you pay? Your credit won't be any good. Where are you going to get the cash?
Why not just quit the Union altogether and leave? Anywhere you go you'll find--gulp!--taxes and government. Right now, there's just one place where you run to and forget about taxes and government. It's called Somalia, which may well be Swahili for "This place really sucks." (Hell, if you set up your own state you'll need organizations that benefit your people and you'll have to pay for them. You'll still be looking at taxes and government.) Personally, I'm glad I'm able to pay taxes and I don't think government's "too big," and I don't mind helping those less fortunate than I am. No, it's not perfect, but secession won't fix that. Want highways? Government. Want to fight wars half-way around the world? Government. Want health and medical research? Sanitary sewer systems? Safe water? Police and fire departments? Government. Government. Government. If your real beef is that there's a black Democrat in the White House and you didn't vote for him and you're ticked off about that, then come right out with it. Did you folks squawk about "big government" when Bush sat in the Oval Office? Think about what happened here the last time big guys convinced little guys they should secede--one American civil war was enough. Think about the former Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing and Serbs and Croats and brothers and former neighbors at each other's throats. Think about the economic dislocation that followed their self-indulgent little spat. I freakin' hate politics, but this unpatriotic self-righteous bully-boy talk about breaking up our country really ticks me off. We've got it better than anyone else on the planet. Quit bitching. Or catch the next freighter to Somalia. Bush was the clown that started us down this path to socialism and Obama is following in his foot steps, just how much is to much for taxas ? If you want to piss your hard earned money away on big government, go the F ahead, but don't dismiss people as being racist because they want better government and fiscally responsible one at that.
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#26
04-20-2009, 12:46 PM
Okay, you want to secede. You'll have to pay the rest of us back for a lot of your infrastructure--highways, military bases, hospitals (do you think we're just going to give them to you?), and all manner of things paid for by those of us in the other 49. How will you pay? Your credit won't be any good. Where are you going to get the cash?
Why not just quit the Union altogether and leave? Anywhere you go you'll find--gulp!--taxes and government. Right now, there's just one place where you run to and forget about taxes and government. It's called Somalia, which may well be Swahili for "This place really sucks." (Hell, if you set up your own state you'll need organizations that benefit your people and you'll have to pay for them. You'll still be looking at taxes and government.) Personally, I'm glad I'm able to pay taxes and I don't think government's "too big," and I don't mind helping those less fortunate than I am. No, it's not perfect, but secession won't fix that. Want highways? Government. Want to fight wars half-way around the world? Government. Want health and medical research? Sanitary sewer systems? Safe water? Police and fire departments? Government. Government. Government. If your real beef is that there's a black Democrat in the White House and you didn't vote for him and you're ticked off about that, then come right out with it. Did you folks squawk about "big government" when Bush sat in the Oval Office? Think about what happened here the last time big guys convinced little guys they should secede--one American civil war was enough. Think about the former Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing and Serbs and Croats and brothers and former neighbors at each other's throats. Think about the economic dislocation that followed their self-indulgent little spat. I freakin' hate politics, but this unpatriotic self-righteous bully-boy talk about breaking up our country really ticks me off. We've got it better than anyone else on the planet. Quit bitching. Or catch the next freighter to Somalia. I feel that I need to explain a few facts about Texas, AC120. Texas is one of the few states that could pretty much be self sufficient. Texas grows much of the food for themselves and the nation. They do that in the valley down near the border. They also raise a lot of beef in Texas. I don't think you need to worry about them going hungry. However, you may want to be concerned about where you are going to get some of your food in parts of the rest of the country. Texas doesn't need to worry about taking a lot of money from he federal government. You see, they have a very large oil industry in Texas. Exxon, Mobil and a few other of the largest oil corporations in the world are headquartered in Texas. In fact, they have a rather large export business in Texas. They are also the home to two of the largest computer companies in the world, Dell, HP/Compaq. They also have some of the finest medical facilities in the world. MD Anderson and Baylor are world renown. And since you mentioned the military, Texas is a major developer and producer of military hardware in the world. Bell Helicopter is a major defense contractor in Texas. They developed the Osprey, which is a vertical takeoff aircraft that is being utilized in our military. They also have a number of helicopters used in the military and private sectors that are built in the Lone Star state. I don't think you need to worry about whether Texas can pay the bills. I think the U.S. would miss Texas more than Texas would miss the U.S. I don't think that Texas would secede from the union, but if they did decide to do that then they could get along pretty well by themselves. And you need to understand how infrastructures are funded. The states and feds collect money from fuel taxes and other taxes and send them to Washington DC. For every 3 dollars Washington takes from the people they send back about 1 dollar to take care of infrastructure. They keep a small handling fee for themselves. The distribution of highway funds benefits the smaller states and those that have smaller populations such as Wyoming or the Dakota's. We need government. We don't need the amount of government we have. It is way too big. I would hate to see Texas or any other states secede from the union. It may take that to wake up those is Washington. It would be much better to stop this insane spending and start cutting the size of this out of control government.
#27
04-20-2009, 03:10 PM
Thank you GMAN. Call me a troll, but I like it when other folks appreciate, or compliment Texas.
Texas leads the nation in beef. Texas also has more crude oil in one county than the whole world combined.  (I made that up) Texas also leads the nation in cotton. Bunch of women, too. :lol:I would hate to see anyone secede from the Union. I would hate to see another Civil War.
#28
04-20-2009, 04:29 PM
Anyplace that offers lots of beef and women is ok with me!
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#29
04-20-2009, 08:06 PM
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well lets see, I didn't vote for him so I guess that makes me a racist.
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#30
04-20-2009, 09:16 PM
Thank you GMAN. Call me a troll, but I like it when other folks appreciate, or compliment Texas.
Texas leads the nation in beef. Texas also has more crude oil in one county than the whole world combined. (I made that up) Texas also leads the nation in cotton. Bunch of women, too. :lol:I would hate to see anyone secede from the Union. I would hate to see another Civil War. I would hate to see any state secede or another civil war either. But people are becoming scared of the government. They feel frustrated, powerless and scared. People feel that our elected representatives are not representing their interests but are pushing for an agenda that is contrary to the U.S. Constitution and our way of life. People will only be pushed so far before they react. Hopefully, they will use the power of the vote and civil protests rather than armed conflict. I have strong family ties to Texas, Jackrabbit. Texans have always had a certain attitude about them. Some people take that as arrogance. Personally, I think it is more an attitude of confidence and a "can do" attitude. They will do whatever it takes to get the job done. Texans are proud of their heritage and their state. After all, Texas is "a whole other country." 
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