Why don't you?

 

:thumbsup: Maryland KW... I agree, tit for tat, and I felt your frustration, not anger or worse.

:clap:I don't mind Canadians or Mexicans voicing their opinions on our politics, as they are our next door neighbors, and I think their opinions should be heard. They don't get to vote, but I welcome their input 100%. Bottom line is, we are all North Americans, with a lot of common interest.
Canada and Mexico sure has a lot of fine look'n wimmin. :bow:
...okay...that's my "c' mon baby" interest.

Thing I have to wonder about is how much of what either party stumps, will ever actually be put into law? Hopefully, in my opinion, much of this is just to get an election, and once a party gains the administration, they can go back to being incompetent idiots...and really accomplish nothing, except agree on giving themselves raises and vacations. Whatever Obama or McCain talk about now, would still have to have some bipartisanship in order to become a successful Bill.

What I do fear is one party having control over the Presidency, and both Houses of Congress. We saw what happened in the early years of the Bush Administration, when they had this much power. Now with the Democrats about to gain control, I think our Country is really going to end up worse off than we are now...because all I ever see is bigger government, and more corruption. I am equally disgusted with both parties!

That underlines my personal overall view and opinion. Both parties suck! But right now, at this point in time with the current events, I believe Obama would be the worse of two idiots heading the list of idiots. It's not so much him in particular, but the party as a whole, and how much they have as potential to "change" and in effect screw us up even more....or lets say...faster. I'm sure the McCain administration would screw us too...just slower, as he can veto every stupid porkfat Bill loaded down with earmarks, that comes up as some special interest windfall...and send it back to be argued for years, going nowhere.

I'm proud to say, I am a Schwing voter. :banana3:...I'm voting for boobage.
I may as well enjoy our VP in a tight sweater shooting a Caribou from a helicopter. Have you noticed...firing a gun makes her nipples hard. :block:
"C'mon baby!"

 

Thank you Roadhog...mostly I just sit back & watch with your politics...truthfully it fascinates me! We just recently had our federal elections...all of it said, done & over with in 36 days! It saddens me to see the viciousness on BOTH sides! Our politics is aomewhat more...polite? :lol: :lol: :lol:

And occasionally I will put in a word or two...when one "sleeps next to an elephant" and all that. Whether you like it or not...the things you do affect all of us in one way or another...remember during the primaries when Obama was running around in Ohio saying he was going to renegotiate NAFTA? Then he sent his campaign team over to the Canadian embassy & said..."Don't worry, nothing will change...it's all rhetoric to get elected". Remember that? I do! And then when it hit the news DENIED it, then some poor schmuck found the "memo" the embassy had written...man THAT was funny!

As for Obama being a communist...well I don't think I'd go THAT far...but he IS a socialist.... just LOOK at his policies.

 

This entire discussion is pathetic. Are you people really that delusional that you believe the crap you are typing?

 

Here is were I cannot for the life of me understand why liberal's think the way they do. The statement that your talking about is were Buffet made $46 Million and paid 17% income tax and his secretary made $60,000 and she paid 30%, right?

Did you know that in 2006 his company paid $4.4 Billion in tax's. Buffet is the richest man in the US now. he's the richest because his company is worth $62 Billion.

So do you really believe Buffet ONLY made $46 million dollars? He made a whole lot more than that.

If you get your news from rueters (reliable news source) he made $10 Billion dollars last year.

http://www.reuters.com/article/busin...64885820080305

Chief Executive of Forbes Magazines Steve Forbes said, noting Buffett's fortune climbed $10 billion in the last calendar year.

Liberals believe everything they hear without thinking on their own. Do some research on income tax laws and see who is really paying the largest share of the US tax's. The rich pay the biggest share of the tax's, not the middle class man. Obama wants to tax them more?

 

I believe anything you say.


I do however, like the way Mike Huckabee put it when he talked about spreading the wealth. He said, "Halloween is coming up. It would be like your kids staying at home on Halloween night, while your kids' friends are out Trick or Treating, and your kids' friends would have to give up some of their candy, and give it to your kids, just for staying at home".

 

Ridge Runner said:

Well, I don't :bow: anybody... except maybe Adriana Lima and even Hoggie at times. So, I object to the way you start this discussion out with an insult. But, it seems to be a constant in all anti-Obama threads. Nevertheless, I'll play along.

First, let me say that I don't find it wise for him to use that terminology. And I don't recall him actually saying that the rich make TOO much (just that they don't need anymore corporate welfare to increase their bounty.) But, what goes through my mind is this:

Finally, there will be an end to Bush's doctrine of giving tax breaks to the super rich while, if not actually raising taxes on the middle class, at least affecting policies that have led to an economy that itself taxes our incomes beyond what we can bear. While not blaming Bush for everything wrong with the economy, I can say that most economists agree that the middle class has been decimated and lowered to the point of maybe just above poverty.

Finally, there will be a man in office who is more concerned with raising people out of poverty making them productive and taxpaying members of society, reducing medical costs that are the leading factor in bankruptcies, and holding corporations accountable for their greedy policies that ship American jobs overseas. I really don't care if Exxon or Enron makes a few million less this year if it means more jobs for Americans.

Finally, there will be a man in office who at least claims to want to bring us into the First World concerning health care for ALL citizens. Not socialized medicine, but something closer to the successful models of most countries in Europe. Someone who will take on the drug companies and reduce the exhorbitant cost of medicines. If you don't think our current system of free health care in emergency rooms by those who are uninsured (or uninsurable) is not a form of socialism, then you might want to think again. Who do you think is paying for all that free care?

Finally, there will be a man who wants to get serious about tackling the high cost of higher education... realizing that we are lagging way behind other countries with lower GDP's than our own.

There are other thoughts that go through my mind, but in essence, yes... I believe that a more "fair" chance at the American Dream is consistent with the principles of our founding fathers. It won't be easy to do, and there will be those who scream and cry at any perceived loss of their superior status of wealth. But, that has happened throughout history in nearly every country.

I might also point out that many actions our government has taken, from arming the Contras to deposing Saddam, have been in part for the purpose of improving the plight of the common or lower classes around the World. Yet, when it is suggested here.... people threaten civil war to block it. What's up with that?

Yes, they do. The word is compassion and equal opportunity.

But, see.... no one is saying that except those who distort his intentions for their own political purpose.

Your example would be consistent with confiscation of ALL wealth and property of the richer class and distributing it equally among the masses. And, no... I don't think that is fair. But, neither is that the plan.

Obama wants to reduce the taxes of the working class. And he specifically says those who are working! So, why don't some of you drop the welfare hysteria and talk about the facts? To do this, he must "roll back" the Bush tax credits for the super rich to a point that is actually a lower tax rate than these people had under Reagan. I doubt if anyone on THIS board is even IN that bracket, yet you scream and cry as if someone was trying to wrench your money from your "cold dead hands." :hellno:

He is not talking about taking one single dime from the rich. He is undoing an unfair tax policy that has allowed them to amass money that even Reagan didn't think they deserved, and MANY of both parties have admitted they don't need or deserve. I realize that the rich pay more OF the taxes in this country, but usually at a lower RATE. If any one of them wants to trade places with me.... I wish they'd stand up!

You DO remember don't you, that the American Revolution started with the Boston Tea Party. That was over unfair taxation on the COMMON man... not the super rich. Tea was considered a necessity at the time and increased taxation on it was perceived as an unfair and undue burden on the middle class. It was also about lack of representation. The Lords and Estate owners of early America HAD the ear of the Crown, to some extent, but the common man did not. Who has the ear of the Bush administration? Where do you think the lobbyists GET the money they throw at our government? They get it from the extreme upper class in America that is intent on keeping the status quo. We have traded the despotism of the Crown for our own "ruling class."

I appreciate you leaving out the many other things you disagree with him on. It makes it easier if we can talk about one issue at a time. But, I have to say that I am more scared of the decline of the economic standing of the MAJORITY of American citizens, and the continued devaluation of the American dollar worldwide, than I am about the inconvenience of the super rich having to make do with last year's model of yacht!

 

 

I saw it on the Internet, so it must be 100% factual...even if I wrote it. Right? :clap:

 

Great post as usual Hog, I was getting worried about you until I saw the line at the end. I don't know how many serious posts I could take from our old friend. I just think Obama is the lesser of the two evils.