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Old 09-04-2007, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
So If im to understand all of this right. You people dont want mexican drivers over here because they MIGHT be on drugs, run over hours and drive unsafe trucks. I can see your argument. They might take some of the work away from our americans who MIGHT be on drugs, run over hours and drive unsafe trucks.
No, Sheepie, you misunderstand the point. We are P.O'd because THEY will do all these things for LESS money than US!! Then WE will have to take a cut in pay to keep a job! :roll: :wink:

And if many U.S. drivers are running over hours and driving unsafe trucks? You might have to look to the COMPANIES and their dispatchers/fleet managers for the causation.

Let me ask you a question. As a large company, JB must get MUCH of their freight through contracts with companies who need things shipped, right? What happens AFTER the trial program, when many MORE Mexican companies are allowed to compete for U.S. freight, and are willing to "haul cheap freight?" How many contracts can JB afford to LOSE??

Now don't start with the argument that they are only hauling cross border, linehaul (I think that might be the word) freight to and from Mexico and not Cabotage. We ALL know it will end up there, as it is part of the North American Union goals.

But, even IF it is only cross border freight..... how many jobs will be lost by truckers who currently carry freight TO the border or FROM the border? If you're a company shipping say..... wall safes (for stashing illegal bribes in) to Mexico from St. Louis, will you hire JB Hunt for the contract at 40 cpm (to the drivers)?? Or a Mexican company that can come and get it and take it back for 20 cpm??

Yes, there are drivers in America who run illegal, on bennies (still) and don't maintain their equipment well. But, there are ALSO alot of us who ARE concerned about safe highways.... for ourselves, AND our families! And there are people with higher pay grades than ANY of us, who are equally concerned! I admit there is a certain amount of "hysteria" about it all..... but I don't believe that means that reasonable people can't ALSO have valid concerns!

Your lack of concern, to date (as YOU also have a family to protect,) seems to me to smack of the profiteering motivation of those company CEO's and shareholders who are getting rich off the exploitation of illegal immigrants picking the produce or processing chicken, at the expense of American jobs with fair pay and benefits, which can only increase your bottom line and dividends.

You sit there and pontificate on how WELL the economy is doing (for YOU,) while being "presented" an ever increasing number of applicants who are turning to trucking because their jobs have been outsourced to other third world countries for exactly the same reasons. And you have the nerve to belittle us and our own personal economic concerns??

I am impressed with the facts you present about TMM. I will look more closely into it myself. I have not yet actually jumped on the bandwagon that says ALL Mexican trucks are POS's or that their drivers are drunks, smugglers and outlaws. But, I've been south of the border enough, myself, to know that these concerns are not "jibberish!"

And, like all my fellow drivers out here, and unlike YOU..... at least I knew that the law requires all CMV drivers in the U.S. to speak enough English to converse with a DOT officer and shippers and receivers, AND be able to READ the traffic signs that are mostly in ENGLISH. This is an EXTREMELY important "safety" issue.... and it bothers me that YOU were not even aware of it.
*Sniff*... I need a tissue after that sob story...
 
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Your lack of concern, to date (as YOU also have a family to protect,) seems to me to smack of the profiteering motivation of those company CEO's and shareholders who are getting rich off the exploitation of illegal immigrants picking the produce or processing chicken, at the expense of American jobs with fair pay and benefits, which can only increase your bottom line and dividends.
My only responce to your little rant would be: WHY ISNT THE DRIVER A SHAREHOLDER? Everyone in this country has that choice. Example: Say a driver has driven for company A for 15 years. Say that driver was smart enough to invest in that company stock though employee stock purchase. Say company A does start using mexican drivers and the profit and stock goes up big time. Didnt that driver just profit from the mexican driver? Why do so many drivers think that cents per mile is there only measure of pay? A good employee stock purchase and a successful trucking company will make a driver FAR MORE money over his career than CPM.
And again, THIS MEXICAN TRUCK DRIVER THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS.
 
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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
Your lack of concern, to date (as YOU also have a family to protect,) seems to me to smack of the profiteering motivation of those company CEO's and shareholders who are getting rich off the exploitation of illegal immigrants picking the produce or processing chicken, at the expense of American jobs with fair pay and benefits, which can only increase your bottom line and dividends.
My only responce to your little rant would be: WHY ISNT THE DRIVER A SHAREHOLDER? Everyone in this country has that choice. Example: Say a driver has driven for company A for 15 years. Say that driver was smart enough to invest in that company stock though employee stock purchase. Say company A does start using mexican drivers and the profit and stock goes up big time. Didnt that driver just profit from the mexican driver? Why do so many drivers think that cents per mile is there only measure of pay? A good employee stock purchase and a successful trucking company will make a driver FAR MORE money over his career than CPM.
And again, THIS MEXICAN TRUCK DRIVER THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Is that the only response you have in your little bag of tricks? FYI, in the long term stocks are great. But if American driving jobs get any worse and pay goes to hell, how do I pay the bills with stock? :roll:
 
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How are american driving jobs going to hell? I talk to 100 drivers everyday who are making good money and love their jobs.
 
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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
Scary mexican truck picture



Actaully, looking at TMM, mexicos largest transportation company. It looks like a very well run company. Nice trucks, very profitable and pays their employees pretty well by mexican standards. Their containers have been going trough our country for years and you always see their trucks down in south texas. They dont seem to be causing any problems.
LOL..stare closely at those cornbinders now. Do you notice anything particular about them?? Look pretty close to the early 90's model cornbinders JBHunt used to run up and down our highways. What do you think?

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You didn't personally get under my skin at all. If you fall into the category of the largely uneducated public who loves to spread their "sky is falling" crap here and on the airwaves, then you may very well be partly to blame. Sorry, but ignorance is one of my biggest pet peeves...
Now see.....Ignorance is one of my pet peeves as well. I'm not a educated man for sure. However, I feel I am intelligent enough to understand that trucks from Mexico, will be bad for American truck drivers. As a fairly intelligent person, I for one, do understand that Corporate America stands to gain, big time, by having Mexican Trucking companies hauling freight on American roads. Now..some are gonna say "That's what was thought, when the Canadians were allowed full access." To that arguement I say, not true. Canadian truck drivers are paid a canadian wage, in line with our american wage. Canadian trucking companies operate on a level that is equal to American trucking companies, insurance and tax-wise. Corporate America had little to gain when Canandian trucks, were allowed access. Do you really believe that Mexican driver's are paid on a par with American drivers or Canadian drivers? Face it...your 40 cpm job can be eliminated if Corporate America, can arrange for mexican drivers to haul the freight for a wage of 15cpm.

In the last 12-15 years, how many times have you seen Canadian trucks abandoned on our streets and roads? Now, in the last 12-15 years how many times have you seen or heard about mexican trucks, abandoned on the streets and roads of the 20 mile zone? Myself, I remember seeing one such truck, along I-5 in San Diego, in 2003. When I spoke with a scale master about it, she told me that mexican driver's are always aboandoning their equipment, that it ws one of the easiest methods for them to gain access into our country.

Once Mexican trucks are in our country, those drivers will not have to worry about "Bandits" robbing them. They already know that ours is a "safe" country, for them. Do you feel that American driver's will be just as safe, once they are able to drive into the interior of Mexico? Do you think that shipment's bound for Mexico are going to be going south on American trucks? Or is it more likely that the freight will sit on the dock, waiting for a Mexican truck? Will it be an American dock worker/warehouseman, unloading inbound freight from Mexico and reloading Mexico bound freight, on to Mexican trucks? Or will the Mexican driver's be unloading and reloading their freight..for free..(since that is how Corporate America has always made it work)?

The weekend before last, I layed over in WV. One of the other O/O's laying over at that terminal, was a "green-carded" Mexican citizen. His english was flawless. He told those of us sitting in the TV lounge, that he and his wife, worked for 20 years, to get their green-cards, so they could come here legally, to start a family. They are hopeing to be sworn in as US citizens in January. He told those of us in that room, that his father does not make in 4 month's, what he makes in 2 weeks, after deductions. His father and 2 brothers are truck drivers in Mexico, driving between Mexico City, Monterrey and La Paz. His concern? that most of those Mexican drivers will abandon their trucks, once they are where they want to be, here in America.

One final thing. For the most part, American OTR drivers are not paid overtime wages, because of a Fair Labor and Standards act statute, that was pushed by Corporate America, in 1932, which stipulates that when truck drivers cross a state line, they are ineligable for Overtime wages. Every 7 years, that statute is revisited by Congress, at the behest of Corporate America, so that OTR drivers remain ineligable for Overtime Pay. There are some companies that do pay overtime wages to their interstate drivers. There are far more though that do not.

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Originally Posted by Orangetxguy
Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
Scary mexican truck picture



Actaully, looking at TMM, mexicos largest transportation company. It looks like a very well run company. Nice trucks, very profitable and pays their employees pretty well by mexican standards. Their containers have been going trough our country for years and you always see their trucks down in south texas. They dont seem to be causing any problems.
LOL..stare closely at those cornbinders now. Do you notice anything particular about them?? Look pretty close to the early 90's model cornbinders JBHunt used to run up and down our highways. What do you think?
Those are DINA D-9200's. DINA built International tractors under license. The red grille badging is larger on the DINA D series tractors than it would be on a similar International tractor.
 
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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
Your lack of concern, to date (as YOU also have a family to protect,) seems to me to smack of the profiteering motivation of those company CEO's and shareholders who are getting rich off the exploitation of illegal immigrants picking the produce or processing chicken, at the expense of American jobs with fair pay and benefits, which can only increase your bottom line and dividends.
My only responce to your little rant would be: WHY ISNT THE DRIVER A SHAREHOLDER? Everyone in this country has that choice. Example: Say a driver has driven for company A for 15 years. Say that driver was smart enough to invest in that company stock though employee stock purchase. Say company A does start using mexican drivers and the profit and stock goes up big time. Didnt that driver just profit from the mexican driver? Why do so many drivers think that cents per mile is there only measure of pay? A good employee stock purchase and a successful trucking company will make a driver FAR MORE money over his career than CPM.
And again, THIS MEXICAN TRUCK DRIVER THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Apparently you do not understand how most stock purchase programs work Sheep. Most if not all, purchases, are limited to annual income. So..a driver making 34,000 a year will only be capable of buy what...$3,400.00 in company stock, IF the driver can afford to spend that kind of money. Someone making $34,000 annually now..can not afford to buy stock, in those quantities. Now..as for your scenerio...just how many shares do you suppose an individual will need to own, for such a windfall to happen? 2,000 shares? 20,000 shares? 200,000 shares? Today JBHunt stock closed at $28.77. That means a driver who is putting say 3% of annual wages away, would be able to buy 118 shares of stock, if that driver had $3400.00 to invest. If that driver invested 3400$ each year, for 15 years, that would be, at $28.77 per share, plus 10% growth, 1982.4 shares. JBH shareholders just received a .09 cent per share dividend. 118 shares receive $10.62 for the quarter, 42.48 for the year. Over 15 years, at .09 cents per share, per quarter, that is $637.20, on those 118 shares, if the dividend remained consistent at .09 cents per share.
On 1982.4 shares, that is $178.42 per quarter, $713.66 for the year, and $10,704.96 over 15 years, with that .09 remaining constant. Blazing numbers.

Now yes..I know that some people will say..if the driver can't live within his/her means, and save for retirement as well, that is their problem. Which is where this whole afair leads to.

Already, many many trucking companies rely on their drivers to do "Free" work (off the logbook of course). Most warehouse's still require drivers to unload their trailers and break down individual orders. My land...how dare a truck driver want to be properly compensated for something like LABOR. That rant aside, warehouses do require such "free" labor.

Imagine...a driver might actually be able to run "legally", if they were not required to perform free labor. If a driver was actually paid a fair wage for all his or her labor...that driver might actually be able to afford your investment scenerio.

But..I'm being hysterical and nonsensical.

All them Mexican trucks are going to be working at American freight rates and American wages...RIGHT??
 
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Here is the way you make money on stocks in the trucking industry, or any industry for that matter. Just follow the link if you can. I would have pasted the buy and sells but did not want to infringe on any copyright laws.
No offense to you Sheepdancer, you seem to tell it like it is, I just used JB considering your here and the largest, but the numbers will pertain to any company listed on either of the exchanges.

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I participate in the employee stock purchase program at Wal-Mart and I put in $25 a paycheck.
 
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Originally Posted by Sheepdancer
Your lack of concern, to date (as YOU also have a family to protect,) seems to me to smack of the profiteering motivation of those company CEO's and shareholders who are getting rich off the exploitation of illegal immigrants picking the produce or processing chicken, at the expense of American jobs with fair pay and benefits, which can only increase your bottom line and dividends.
My only responce to your little rant would be: WHY ISNT THE DRIVER A SHAREHOLDER?

Um.... WHAT driver? I never said anything about the driver working for J.B. Hunt. I was talking about ALL drivers. You know.... out here in the INDUSTRY?? Not just the ones in your COMPANY! (which seems to be all you know of the industry.)

So, I work for another company.... that HAS NO STOCK PURCHASE PLAN. Should I buy stock in HUNT???? Wouldn't that be a type of "conflict of interest?"


Everyone in this country has that choice. Example: Say a driver has driven for company A for 15 years. Say that driver was smart enough to invest in that company stock though employee stock purchase. Say company A does start using mexican drivers and the profit and stock goes up big time. Didnt that driver just profit from the mexican driver?

Not very much, at least in the short term, if he LOST HIS JOB!!!

Why do so many drivers think that cents per mile is there only measure of pay?

Um.... because stock options are a form of RETIREMENT planning... and have nothing to DO with their weekly PAY??? :roll:

A good employee stock purchase and a successful trucking company will make a driver FAR MORE money over his career than CPM.

No... it might make for a good RETIREMENT, but does LITTLE for his monthly pay, which he needs to pay his bills. And if he loses his JOB due to Mexican drivers being hired on for less, he won't be able to pay INTO some stock option retirement plan!

And again, THIS MEXICAN TRUCK DRIVER THING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ILLEGAL ALIENS.

I didn't say it DID! I mentioned illegal aliens ONLY in the context that they are providing cheap labor to many companies who are therefore NOT hiring American workers, and are boosting their bottom line by "outsourcing" the jobs to the third world which, in this case, has come to THEM!
 
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