Well, he really didnt get it through the mail. Yes, you can order guns online. But you have to be a licenced dealer. What you have to do is find a gun you want and then have the gun dealer order it for you, and then you pick it up from the dealer or pawn shop. Its not like you are mail ordering a gun from online. You are still buying the gun from the dealer and the dealer is charging you a little extra for it. I have bought quite a few guns this way and there is really no difference than buying from a dealer a gun that he has in stock. Its a great way to aquire collectable guns and surplus military guns.

 

Greg said:

I don't have a timeline in front of me. I just know what I saw and heard in the briefings. I saw pictures of police running toward the bldg, and I heard a timeline given that indicated that the police breached the doors IMMEDIATELY upon arrival, and when they reached the second floor, Cho had JUST shot himself.

I don't think there is ANY evidence that the police "stood around outside."

Again, I was only answering your question about the delay in notification/response of the police. I am NOT defending all their actions.

Like Twilight, I feel the VA TECH police (and maybe others) seriously dropped the ball here in the way they handled the FIRST shooting, and what they did afterwards to protect the rest of the population.

 

Here lies the problem and the main reasons for the heated debate on this issue. Just because one sick person figured out a way to get a gun, doesnt mean millions of law abiding americans should be troubled in any way when wanting to buy a gun.
Im just not willing to go farther than any instant background check. And yes, I am ok with background checks as long as they are instant. I just shouldnt have to wait 3, 4 or 7 days to buy a gun. Im not willing to give up any my constitutional right to bare arms because of one sicko.
I am not willing to give up my right to carry a weapon either. I have taken the class, I have the permit, I have been checked out. I should be able to carry and instantly buy a gun any time I want. I and people like me will NEVER sway from this issue. NO COMPRIMISE. Now, if you can figure out a way to keep guns from nutsos like cho and it wont trouble me in any way. More power to ya. MY RIGHTS ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OF THOSE STUDENTS DEATHS.

 

You can buy a gun online. But it is then shipped to a local gun dealer who then runs all the background checks. The same as if you bought it straight from that same dealer.

I agree that he should not have been able to buy either of those guns. But that is what happens when you start dealing with state and federal entities reporting info to each other. Plus, some states don't release any mental health info to the feds due to "privacy laws."

 

VT earlier this week....Columbine 8 years ago today.

It's copycat time.

Scott College here in Iowa was closed down today because some idiot wrote "VT Here Today!" on a bathroom stall.

Much, much, closer to home and potentially more alarming, at least to me...my daughter's Junior High School was locked down this morning when 2 kids brought pellet guns to school for the anniversary of the massacre in Colorado. The question that screams in my head is "for the love of god, WHY?!?!?"

Well, no one was hurt and those 2 idiots will never go to school there again. If they were smart, they'd lock'em up until 21.

And my wife is always telling me to be more tolerant of people. I swear, there's nothing harder for me...

 

Okay, Sheepdancer, I was oversimplifying a bit. That was not the main thrust of my argument or point. However, the cops "indicated" that he paid the ONLINE dealer with a credit card, and it was simply "drop shipped" to the pawn shop - as you say, probably because it has to somewhere go through a local dealer. I wonder WHICH of them did the "instant check" on him?

I found your little story very interesting. First, I'm glad you all came out safely. Drunken bully neighbors are the worst! However....

First, I don't know if the laws are different where you live, but the ones I'm familiar with would have put you in jail. YOU were not in the house and in danger for your life, and HE had not yet entered your house.

Second, You are being a bit overdramatic. I just can't picture your whole family being "slaughtered" by a BASEBALL BAT.

Third, I submit that there are no "waiting periods" for buying a baseball bat, therefore you could have armed yourself equally by going to the local Walmart and buying one of those! :wink:

Fourth, you might have had the same "winning" affect by blasting away at his gonads with your son's pellet rifle!!

Now, I get your point about the waiting period being a hindrance in this particular case. It is a well worn argument used by anti gun control advocates. But, in general, it doesn't wash with me.

IF, you decide that you want to be able to protect yourself and your family from drunks with baseball bats, you should have made that decision EARLIER in life and gone and bought a gun AFTER waiting 7 days for a proper check to make sure YOU are not a danger to have one.

The waiting period is a LOGICAL safeguard against irrational people, say just after finding another man with their wife, from making a SPONTANEOUS decision to buy and use a gun to kill someone. It's a good law. It does NOT hinder law abiding citizens from deciding to buy a gun for their own protection.

And BTW, although I understand your outrage at the little punk who shot your son, I believe the way YOU handled it, dragging him by his hair into YOUR house and calling the cops, probably aggravated the response from the drunken neighbor. Not really blaming you, but things could have been handled in a manner that would have DE-escalated the situation.

But, that's just the peace loving Liberal in me! :lol:

Be back in a minute, gotta go hug a tree! ops:

 

I remember the good old days, in 3rd grade. I actually had my dad bring my grandfathers WWII rifle to school for me on show and tell day.
No one panicked, no one cared, in fact all the kids took turns holding it.
What is the difference now? Really, there arent more school killings happening now than there were 40 years ago. School killings have been happening in this country from the beggining In fact the first school mass murder in this country happened in 1764.
In fact, contrary to what the media is saying now, Virginia Tech IS NOT the worst school mass murder in history. That Distinction would fall to the Bath School massacre on may 18th 1927 in Bath michigan. Where 45 mostly elementary school children were killed and 58 were injured. Strangely enough the bath school killings were not shootings. If a crazy cant find a gun, he will always find a way to kill. And there are many ways to kill that are much more efficient than guns.


Do you know what the difference is now? MEDIA HYPE AND SENSATIONALISM

 

Sheepdancer said:

There is nothing in the constitution that says you have the right to INSTANTLY buy a gun. A waiting period is NOT unconstitutional.

I'm not entirely sure that was what was meant by the 2nd Ammendment. However, it is an interesting issue. Just when, and how, did our society or its laws change from the days of wearing a sixgun on your hip, to just having one in your home or possession? Any info (especially a link) would be welcomed.

And it is just that attitude that does and will force a civilized nation to feel compelled to LIMIT your rights, because you won't give them any other option.

I just really can't believe you actually SAID that!! :shock:

I bet if you had a daughter among the dead at V.Tech, you'd be singing a different song. :roll:

I'll put you down, then, as being a supporter of Cho's rights to own and bear arms. Send me a picture of the plaque y'all put on the wall at NRA HQ's in his honor. :roll:

 

The laws are different in every state. In arkansas you can use deadly force for a lot of reasons. And no the criminal doesnt have to be in your house. Arkansas law that says a person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes another person is committing or about to commit a felony involving force or violence. I would have been justified in shooting him which is exactly what the police told me. I know my laws and my rights. When you take the class for concieled carry the laws of when you can or cannot shoot are drilled into you.
Personally, I love texas deadly force laws. You can even use deadly force to keep someone from stealing from you even if you arent in danger. A friend of my fathers actually shot and killed a 16 year old kid who was stealing his car sterio. No charges.

 

I cant believe I forgot about this. Funny thing, I was going through a list of school shootings and I saw one that I was involved in at my highschool. That shows you how much of a "big deal" it was. I hadnt even thought about it in 20 years.
When I was a senior at lake highlands highschool in Dallas in 1883. A armed gunman came into my school, murdered our lunchroom lady and then ran through the halls with a gun. We all heard the shot and yes for about an hour we were "locked down". The strange thing now with all the media hype if that would happen today, it would be full coverage on all the news channels, with people debating on how to stop things like that from happening, with angry parents being interviewed by the national media. Liberals protesting about guns....bla bla bla.
Do you know what happened in 1982....a little blurb on the local news. No angry parents. No call for better security. no call to ban guns. In fact the most exciting thing about the whole incident was seeing our school on the news for about 2 seconds and telling my parents about it over dinner and them saying "Oh My GOD" and then forgetting about it. The next day life went on (except for our lunchroom lady) and it was forgotten.
Like I said in my other post. These things arent anything new. School murders have been happening since the begginning of our country. They happened on a regular basis before there where handguns like we know today. and they would still happen even if you had a 4 year waiting list to buy a gun. The difference now is MEDIA HYPE. And I refuse to let my life be controlled by the media. Sad that some college students died.....however...LIFE GOES ON.