I don't disagree with that at all. This scumbag was out to kill as many people as possible and regardless of safeguards or actions on the part of school officials and police, he was going to succeed in some way or another. The question is, how successful would he have been if they had done more?

Still, it will all fall back to the question... "was enough done to prevent it or to minimize it?" The fallout from that could come from the events in his life leading up to it or the fallout can be directly from those 2 hours between the shootings. The question is already being asked...was enough done in either case? In the end, the opinions that are going to matter are the opinions of the victims and families of the victims. Right now, they are overwhelmingly saying "not enough was done."

 

A campus is a huge place. Its pretty much like a small city.
When a small city has a murder, you dont shut down the whole city. In Fact you would only notify all of the public to be on the lookout when you were sure there was a gunman just randomly shooting people.

I also disagree that there were "signs". People love to monday morning quarterback on issues like these. It makes them feel good that they can get on the news and say. "man, I knew this guy would shoot people" Sure this guy liked to write violent stories. Sure the guy was a mental case. Sure he was suicidal. Sure he was a stalker. None of those things makes him a killer. The vast majority of mental cases wouldnt shoot anyone. The vast majority of stalkers wouldnt kill anyone. The vast majority of suicidal people never kill anyone else. And if writing violent stories is the sign of a killer....when are Quinton Tarentino and Steven King going to start shooting peolple?
This is now about media hype. The left and the media are mentally hardwired to play the victim and the blame card on everything. Face it, A story about some crazy, just going nutso and shooting people isnt really a newstory that will hold the audience. The media needs to keep this going. To keep this going they need to add victims and people to blame.
The media is playing us. Just like they did with columbine. This is what the left and the media wants. THOSE STUDENTS AND CHO WERE THE VICTIMS. THE BLAME MUST FALL ON THE RIGHT WING AND THEIR LOVE FOR GUNS. Sorry, Im just not going to fall for their silly mind games.
REALITY OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHO IS TO BLAME: A VERY RARE CRAZY PERSON KILLED A BUNCH OF PEOPLE. CHO IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO DID ANYTHING WRONG AND THOSE STUDENTS ARE THE ONLY VICTIMS. NOTHING COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO STOP THIS....YOU CANT PREDICT WHAT A CRAZY IS GOING TO DO ...END OF STORY.

 

Read some of the many stories out there that are putting this scumbag life together. He really was a mirror image of Klebold and Harris. It's downright scarey.

Everybody does it. On both sides of the issue. That's really all any kind of a good debate is. I should have done this or you should have done that.

But this one did. :cry: And people want to know why and how he pulled it off. That's really the gist of my stance on the subject. The why question is being answered as his life is being unearthed and I don't think anyone is really suprised at what is showing up. The how is where the payoff is going to be.

How was he able to kill 32 people by himself? How was he able to kill 30 of them with a good many police officers within a stone's throw of him? How is it that students were not informed about what happened until 2 hours after the initial shootings?

I daresay that had they been warned earlier, perhaps someone would have been a bit more alert and spotted this guy before he opened up. You can't say that a person that had just killed 2 people and was hell-bent on killing a whole lot more, would have looked anything remotely normal. Hindsite being what it is, who's to say that some alert student wouldn't have noticed him, informed someone else, maybe tackled and disarmed him? The point being, without anyone knowing, no one knows IF it could have been avoided.

Still, in the end, it's all conjecture, it's all Monday-morning QBing. None of us has the answers. We can only ask the questions. I maintain my stance that more could have been done. That may or may not be proven. You maintain that everything was done that could be done. Again, that may or may not be proven.

As in all things, time will tell.

 

What were people supposed to notice? A asian guy walking though campus? No one knew this was a mass murder columbine type thing. Guess what, people are shot on campuses quite often. Most are just single shootings. The vast majoirty of shootings are just that, shootings.....not mass murder. You cant expect the police to treat every shooting like a mass murder. If they did that every city would be on lockdown everyday.
This is what will happen.....for about the next year, every single campus in this country will be overreacting to everything. Anytime someone writes a story with a killing in it, red flags will go up. Anytime some paranoid student thinks he might have seen a gun. Campuses will be shut down. It will be insane. People will start complaining that the police are overreacting and eventaully things will go back to normal. Then another thing like this will happen. And then those same people who were whining about the police overreacting will then start whining again that the police arent doing enough. BLAME, VICTIM, BLAME VICTIM, BLAME VICTIM.....an endless cycle. Im FED UP with the victim mentallity this country is turning into. BLA BLA BLA...>THE RICH ARE OPPRESSING THE POOR...BLA BLA BLA...The WHITES ARE OPPRESSING THE BLACKS....BLA BLA BLA...THE CORPORATIONS ARE OPPRESSING THE WORKERS....BLA BLA BLA ....THE OIL COMPANIES ARE SCREWING EVERYONE...BLA BLA BLA.....BULLIES ARE CAUSING WEAK KIDS TO SHOOT OTHER PEOPLE....BLA BLA BLA......DON IMUS SOMEHOW RUINED THE LIFE OF OTHERS WITH SOME STUPID JOKE......BLA BLA BLA.
Playing the victim card is a sign of the WEAK. WE HAVE LOST THE CONCEPT OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and Im refuse to be a part of anything like that anymore.
It comes down to this. Sad that a bunch of kids lost their life. Life goes on for me. I REFUSE to change any part of my life because of the actions of some nutso....that would be playing the victim card and I AM NOT A VICTIM. I REFUSE to place the blame on anyone else but the nutso, because that is what the left would want me to do. I WILL NOT play their silly blame games.


Ok....off my soapbox....carry on, people. :shock:

 

Now the Westboro Baptist Church nuts are planning on having a protest at the VT funerals. It just keeps gettin' better by the minute!

 

SD, I'm really at a loss as to where we are delving into the VICTIM mentality. I don't now what you're reading or hearing, but the majority of the stories I'm following are not playing the victim card, either. No one disputes that this dirtbag planned a mass murder and carried it out. No one is making him out to be a victim...well, most stories aren't and I don't pay any attention to those that are portraying him as the poor, midunderstood victim.

But we're talking about 32 other innocent victims. That's a lot of victims. There is no denying that they ARE victims. What I have said is that I am of the mindset that more could have been done to possibly prevent some of the deaths. Nothing more. My reasoning is sound...cops are on the ground and it's a 2 hour delay before the university e-mails students to inform them what's up. Now, right or wrong, that IS going to be an issue. It will be picked apart and eventually, in my opinion, will lead to the end of the university president's tenure, at the very least. I would happen to agree with that outcome. You may not. That's OK...we're allowed to have differing opinions on this.

Ya know, that doesn't even surprise me. This group of cockroaches, though, is going to go too far one of these days. And when it's THEIR funeral that is taking place due to their lives being cut short, I'm seriously giving thought to attending myself.

 

Speaking of victims, today is the 12 year anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing. :sad: :sad: :sad:

 

Its not just the victim mentality....its the blame/victim mentality. Putting even part of the blame on the President of the university is in turn making everyone a victim of him. Saying the cops did something wrong is making everyone a victim of the police....Which takes away from where the true blame falls. Here is the trap. You get into a habid of blaming everyone for everything and then you fall into the victim mentality. No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes. After all is said and done its easy to SPECULATE and place the blame on others. Maybe after all is said and done, yes if they would have known it was a mass murder, perhaps notifying the students quicker might have helped. But that doesnt make it a fireable offence. Let me give you an example using a truck driver to demonsrate what you doing when placing the blame on the President of the University. Say you are driving a truck. Say you make a mistake and turn down the wrong street. No problem, not a big mistake. Now say when driving down the street some crazy person runs out in front of the truck and you run them over. Really not your fault, things like that can happen. UH OH....here comes mr lawyer who loves to play the blame/victim game. He dicides that it has to be you, the drivers fault. If you hadnt of made that small MISTAKE and made a turn down the wrong street, that crazy person wouldnt have ever ran in front of your truck. Sorry, but you must be held responsible.
Another example: I know you are a recruiter like me. What if you hire someone who has a wreck and kills someone. How would you feel if you got the blame for that? This is exactly what you are doing when you blame the university president for the act of the lunitic.

I will use the example again. You dont shut down a whole city after every murder. Now, say you did shut down the whole city after every murder. Eventually one time, it might save a few lives. But the majority of the times you did that it would just piss people off. A college campus is like a small city with a population larger than many small cities. Sometimes murders happen at colleges. 99.9% of college murders ARE NOT mass killings. Therefore you dont treat every crime at every campus like a Columbine mass murder type thing. And you dont blame the president of the university or the police for not treating every crime like a mass murder.

Look at what the media is doing. Trying to blame the cops for doing too little. Not to long ago the media was blaming the cops for doing too much with another incident. TOO LITTLE, TOO MUCH, TOO LITTLE, TOO MUCH....BLAME, VICTIM, BLAME, VICTIM.

 

This whole thing just sickens me. NBC sickens me for releasing this "media packet" that scumbag sent them. The Westboro Church sickens me and the comments said by Shirley Phelps-Roper.
I could rant about what went wrong and what should have been done but it's not worth the energy.
Hopefully our media could wise up and put the focus on the family's who lost their children and put their resources together to help them and the other students of VT who suffered from this incident.

 

http://www.vt.edu/tragedy/memorial_fund.php