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Originally Posted by greg3564
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Originally Posted by Fozzy
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The facts: we are at war,
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A war which was already underway and a war that was brought to us...,
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Afganistan was brought to our soil. But Iraq? Please! Iraq was no threat to us. I'm more concerned about North Korea or Iran.
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Not even Afghanistan really. The war "was" against a terrorist organization. The country of Afghanistan, nor its Taliban government ever declared or started a war with us.
Sure the terrorists brought their evil and "criminal" acts to our soil. But, it was BUSH who unilaterally decided that any government who didn't stand WITH us was by definition AGAINST us.
He gave the Taliban an ultimatum, to turn over certain peoples who lived within their sovereign territory or WE WOULD ATTACK THEM!
Then, before we had finished the job, he almost unilaterally decided that WE were the enforcement arm of the U.N. and a certain country (Iraq) that refused to cooperate with U.N. mandates and sanctions, should be ATTACKED!
He changed his reasons for attacking Iraq more often than he changed his jockeys, and defied the majority of the World in his pursuit of a personal agenda.
As for who actually started the War on Terrorism? Bin Laden started it, and gave as his reason the fact that U.S. Troops were allowed to be quartered on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia during the First Gulf War.
So, I guess all we had to do was just apologize for defiling sacred ground, and move our troops offshore or to Jordan or somewhere, and 9-11 could have been avoided.
Of course, one COULD say that the reason we were there in the first place was due to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait.... so maybe Saddam really DID start this war! :lol:
America has ALWAYS found it's troops (and interests) being attacked by revolutionaries who object to our constant support of oppressive regimes.
We are allready IN a 100 year War. And it started way back when as America lost its self-sufficency and started depending on other countries, and ensuring the outcome by controlling the politics in those countries.
During the Revolutionary War, American colonialists were called "terrorists" for the very same reason.
I don't like war, but sometimes it is inevitable. At those times, I want us to crush the enemy with an iron fist. But, I don't believe this war was inevitable. "Pre-ordained" would be a better word for it.