State Of The Union: Your Thoughts
#31
01-24-2007, 11:19 AM
Originally Posted by mikey4069
One thing you wrong about is that our troop are losing this war YOUR WRONG OUR troops are winning this war !!
We are not winning this war, and that is a fact that Bush himself has acknowledged. Bush and Co. have bungled this whole deal from the very start. Billions of dollars have been passed on to different contractors and corporations with little or no oversight. Two of the finest Generals in my lifetime, and certainly in the last 20 years, have without question or doubt been Ret. Gen. Colin Powell, and The Immortal Norman Schwarzkopf, known throughout the world as "Stormin' Norman". Their leadership and execution of Operations Desert Shield and Desert storm was nothing short of brilliant. Both of them have been unequivocal in their criticism of how Donald Rumsfeld mishandled this entire affair from the very beginning. Neither of them would try to sell the notion that we are in any way winning this war. Now, these two Generals can hardly be labeled "Left Wing Liberals". Does the name Senator John Warner ring a bell? He actually joined in signing the Senate's non binding Resolution condemning The Bush Administration's handling of the war. Ask him if we are, in fact, winning the war, and see what he tells you!!! The very premises for invading Iraq were based upon lies and deception. It's time to wake up to the facts, and recognize them for what they are!!! The very first premise was that Saddam had ties to al Queada; there were none. The second premise was that Iraq had played a part in the attacks of 9-11; they did not. The third premise was that Saddam had WMD's; none have ever been found. We are now told that Iraq is NOT in the throes of a Civil War; yet, over half of the newly elected Government officials in Iraq won't report for work, due to the fact that they fear for their lives!! Iraq's security forces have been infiltrated, and are incapable of keeping peace. What would the the Republicans be saying if The Clinton Administration had re-written reality, and re-written the rules for companies to sign on to supporting the war effort without having to bid on contracts?? If Bill Clinton had bungled this thing the way Bush has, the Conservatives would be howling, and the Republicans would have complete control of The House and The Senate.
#32
01-24-2007, 11:29 AM
What was really pathetic was when Bush talked about wanting to let immigrants in from Mexico so that our Border Patrol Agents can be free to pursue drug smugglers.
Just last week, under the guise of "justice", two of our U.S. Border Patrol Agents reported to Federal Prison because they shot a fleeing drug dealer. I'm sure that good ol' GW served to boost their morale. Total Bovine Excrement!! :twisted:
#33
01-24-2007, 03:02 PM
Useless War is hell and you have good days and bad day no war is perfect. The same things happen in every war and this war has not gone to plan but what war does.The troops say where winning and that's where i get my info not from cnn or any mainstream media outlet. IF we lose in Iraq we will never be able to deal with Iran or any other country in the middle east. I wish someone would tell me why we went to war with Germany ? :roll: :roll:
#34
01-24-2007, 03:26 PM
Well, I live and work in a very conservative, Republican dominated part of Texas, and one that has a VERY heavy military presence.
I've spoken at great lengths with many returning vets; some were enlisted men, some are retired Officers. By and large, I'm just not getting that story from them!!! Curiously, as to whether or not Iraq is in the midst of Civil War, or if we are in fact, winning the war, the Officers that I speak to are more outspoken in their dissensions than the enlisted personnel. Colin Powell, Norman Schwarzkopf, Alexander Haig, Wesley Clark, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Sen. John Warner, and Sen. Richard Lugar are hardly left-winged liberal talking heads!! :wink: Why did we go to war with Germany?? Do a little studying!!! 8) The decision to enter WWII was not by any means made with a voice of unanimity; Many people, including many Republicans, held fast to their Isolationist philosophies, and were opposed to us entering the war. Aviation pioneer Charles Lindbergh was a staunch opponent of the U.S. entering the war!!
#36
01-24-2007, 03:57 PM
I don't know that there is any "good" answer here, Mickey. I think we are now reduced to looking at unfortunate outcomes, and picking our poisons; poisons that Bush & Co. created!!
The situation did not have to turn out the way it did; there were tribes and factions who were willing to help in the beginning, but they were rebuffed by The Bush Administration. I believe that you are absolutely correct in your assertion that if we withdraw immediately, we will be unable to contend with Iran. If the matter was left up to me??? First, I'd get the troops out of harm's way, and level the whole damned country; turn it into one huge parking lot!!! Now, Bush wants to commit an upsurge in troops, claiming that they are needed in order to turn the tide in Iraq. Now, if we were winning this war, as some people claim, then why is there a need for such an increase in troops!! It may be that we do, in fact, need to commit a substantially larger number of troops; but we have been lied to so much that I find myself unable to simply buy into that. Now, it is not the fault of the Democrats for being so skeptical about increasing our forces over there. At the same time, you have to look at the nature of the conflict here; we are dealing with a corner of the world that has never known anything but oppression. One group is oppressing, another is being oppressed. Words like "Freedom and "Democracy" are seen as the roots of evil; the antithesis of what the Muslims believe in, and you are going to have a dammed difficult time changing that without blowing just about everything and everybody to smithereens!! I do think that it is very disingenuous for Bush and Co. to blame the Democrats for not having an exit strategy; he lied to us about the reasons for invading Iraq, Scooter Libbey is now on trial for his alleged acts of revealing the name of an intelligence agent who investigated the allegations that Bush made, and found those allegations to be total bull&hit. As Commander In Chief, Bush had every obligation to develop a sound exit strategy; his administration has failed to do so. So, what does he want to do??? Cry foul and blame The Democrats, even those who cast their votes to support him!! Hey!!! The Democrats f8@ked Up Royally!!! In supporting Bush, They Trusted Him!!! Their Bad!!
#37
01-27-2007, 05:40 AM
it is so good all news/talk channels have switched from talking about the State OF The Union.
Phew
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#38
01-27-2007, 11:28 AM
Originally Posted by mikey4069
So the answer is to cut and run as the dems what us to do ?
This "cut & run" parroting is VERY tiresome. It's simply not true. The new Congress wants a shift in policy that mirrors the shift in the war over there. Not running the same plans over and over, then wondering why nothing is changing for the better. To his credit, I think President Bush finally realizes this now and has taken some baby steps toward change.
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#39
01-27-2007, 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by PackRatTDI
I'll wait for the political pundits on the news networks to give me a synopsis.
Originally Posted by TCT
That's the problem with this country. Everybody takes what the talking heads say hook, line, and sinker. Listen to what the man has to say, and come to your own conclusions. Don't let the media tell you what he said, or what they think he should do!
It's no wonder Bush has one of the lowest favorable ratings in history. The media is leading the blind and willing by the nose. We are at war with vermin, who are cowards and animals. They don't wear uniforms, and they blend in to the communities which makes things harder for our fighting men to do there job while trying to keep innocent civilians safe. Should we pack up and run? Should we lay in the corner and piss all over ourselves? Heck know, let's smoke these 8@#?@&%$!! Also, for the most part we have a great economy, but you won't hear that from the media now will ya! All you hear is, he's a cowboy, he's hard headed, he doesn't listen, he's stupid, blah, blah, blah! We are at war and he is our President people! He is a good man doing what he thinks is right and doing what he feels is best for our great country. Thank God, he doesn't listen to the media and care what the polls say. It's refreshing to have a President that doesn't lick his finger to see which way the wind is blowing to help him decide which way to go when it comes to the decisions that he needs to make. He ain't perfect...but he's our President! :arrow: 9/11 Commission :arrow: He opposed a new Homeland Security Department (for those keeping score, this was "old, small budget Republican GWB thinking", as opposed to current "large government GWB thinking" like today) :arrow: He opposed campaign finance reform, then signed the McCain-Feingold bill into law :? :arrow: Bush said nyet to talks with Pyongyang, then decides it's a good idea to do so. All the while, their nuclear program continues to develop.
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