The unforgivible sin-- is Unbelief for this is the root of sins.
God the Father Spoke of His Son to come!
Jesus Spoke of Himself!
The Holy Spirit testifies of Jesus Christ.

This is the last testamony befor the return, this is why Jesus told us, "Blasphemy of the Father or the Son will be forgiven men, BUT Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable"

It is the Last Testamony on earth of Jesus Christ-- Unbelief in this-is Unforgivable. But wait-- I though Jesus died for all sins? He did, and this Sin does not need forgivness, but a change of mind. Ether you believ or you don't. Once the belief is accepted then the new life in Christ begins.
As for those who fell away "Apostasy" to defect from the truth, John tells us they left us, because they never was realy amongst us to begin with. Kinda like Judas Iscariot- He walk with God, Talked with God, Seen all the miricles, was there when He fed the 5 thousand etc. But he did not believe that Jesus was the Christ. So since God did not do what he expected he let his feelings and thoughts controll him, and thus commetid apostasy. Same with Peter-- But the diffrence was, Peter didn't kill himself, but stuck around and finaly came to know the truth, and beleved God and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

I know this will be long Mack but read it, it might give you the answer you need.

Romans 6

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one?s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

Aligator I am a Christan and do belivie in God and Jesus and Heaven and Hell but I just asked that question out of criosity.

Slimland thanks I read that whole thing but think I'll have to reread it when there aren't so many distractions around me (kids yelling in back ground).

 

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I tell mine to go pull weeds, that usualy shuts them up! :lol:

 

They do if they're Catholic and go mumble a few Hail Mary's and Our Fathers! :lol:

Truth is, it would depend somewhat on what you mean by going back to being bad. Like Slim says, we are not made perfect by being saved. The flesh WILL backslide. The difference is in whether or not you repent and ask for fogiveness and really try to be better.

I think the actual verses on this say to be saved you must repent of your sins and ACCEPT Jesus/god/christ into your heart to REPLACE your own ego that sits on your throne, followed by: And CONFESS this to the world. i.e: Your ACTIONS must change as a testimony of your newfound life.

If you just say the words, but don't confess the change through your actions, you are not saved. However, once really saved, though you may backslide at times, yes... you will go to heaven.

I hope that answers your question in laymans' terms. I HATE quoting scripture!

 

Slimland:

I KNOW the feeling you have in your heart or soul, about how your life was suddenly changed by a moment's decision to "accept" the grace of God. It is a powerful feeling not unlike a narcotic.

I'm NOT trying to change your mind. But, I would like to know if, somewhere in what's left of your free thinking mind (and I don't mean that to be offensive,) can you CONSIDER the possibility that all of what you have been told WAS, in fact, devised by MAN to answer his own questions at a time when the whole world was a mystery?

After all.... the Bible WAS written by men. Yes, they SAID they were inspired by God to write what they did, and maybe they WERE. But, is it possible that they were NOT?

Have you ever seen a movie called, "The 13th Floor?" It's a great movie! Basically (hate to spoil it) the characters that start off the movie have created an alternate reality in a computer. They put on electrodes and "live" vicariously in another realm of their making. In the end, they find out that THEY are just another level of the same, being created by a higher level of humans. Boy.... were THEY surprised!

In my HEART, I believe there is a God of some sort. Maybe closer to the sum of consciousness Alligator espouses, or even the "Naturalistic" view that Fozzy seems to believe in, or maybe just exactly as YOU have been told that he is.

But my MIND makes me ask questions. And here is my biggest one:

In ancient times, the Romans and Greeks, though calling them by different names, each believed in Multiple gods. They had one for feast and famine, storms at sea, fertility, war.... and on and on.

Through the evolution of science and civilization, we have answered all those UNKNOWNS that the ancients assigned a God to because they were 'mystified' by them.

All but ONE 'unknown.' And that is the question of life after death! We humans of today have "explained" away every ancient God, but even WE still haven't been able to answer what happens to us after we die.

Is it not at least POSSIBLE that we cling to our one God because HE purports to be the answer or origin of this unanswered question??

If someday, and we are close, we are able to bring people back from the dead with a full memory of what they found on the other side, and they say, "yeah, the light was beautiful, but there was nothing else there... no God," what will you believe THEN?

Can you conceive of what I suggest? That, for ALL our knowledge, we are still but ignorant humans who need an answer to a mystery of life? And that if we ever answer it.... we MAY have to accept the fact (if it turns out to be true) that there is nothing there, and therefore we no longer need to assign its unknowability to a GOD?

I'm not trying to shake your faith. I just want you to consider that Religion might just be man's way of coping with his own humanity. Like someone said: It would be better to believe in God, and strive to be a better person EVEN if there is no truth to it, than to deny Him and continue to live in sin and hatefullness.

I guess my point is that you have no real proof, other than your convictions, a form of mind control or psychosomatics, that you and other Christians, Muslims or anyone else is RIGHT.

I hope this theory fits into this thread. I just wanted you to consider it and discuss it if you'd like to. The search for truth should investigate ALL possibilities, not just the one written down by a tribe of nomadic farmers.

Hobo

P.S: Please don't answer me by quoting scripture. I'm a Preacher's son and have read it all many times. Besides, you would just be citing a source that is in question - debatable. I'd like to hear YOUR thoughts.

 

With me the question becomes: Do we retain our individual identities after life? Or do we melt into the cosmic consciousness like a dieing wave and simply become a part of the sea of consciousness?

I think we can retain our identity and even live again like this man:

http://www.near-death.com/experience...rnation07.html

But I don't think it is a given. Some of us never return.

 

According to the Bible (take that for what it's worth) and the Christian beliefs, when you get to heaven, you will retain your identity, and know ALL your family and friends. But, I'm NOT sure what will happen when you run into that Lizard you met one night in a truck stop! :lol:

 

You are going to make this hard arnt' Ya! :lol:

I am going to try to piece this all together, but I will have to use some scriptur, but I will put it as a paraphrase hows that?

How did man Know that from the going forth of the command to rebuild and restore Jerusalem There would be 69 wks untill the Messiah. And then the Cyrus Chronicls found have proven the command givven in 445BC, by Artaxeres, Following what is said, this puts the anointing of the Messiah, at the exact Time that Jesus Christ entered Jerusalem and Crucifixion.

Your a preachers son, The above you should know about, without me going into further detail.

As for proof, we have the prophecy's that have been fulfilled and the ones that are yet to come. This is irrufutable by man, for there are over 300 prophecy concerning the Messiah, and I could post 50 of them with a click, I have posted them befor and I could find them again if need be. All---All point to Jesus Christ as the Messiah, and All of them where prophecy'sed befor the birth of Christ in as much as 490 years. So if these were not inspired by God, then the men who wrote these must themselves have forsight, and to be able to make one man, whome they never knew, become reality, to which would turn the world around forever.
For the spirit of Prophecy is the Testamony of Jesus Christ. and it is Irrifutable.

So is it possible that the Bible was not inspired by God? No, I do not believe that it is possible.


No I have not seen this, but it does remind me of the movie TRON!

GolfHobo, I cannot speak for everyone on this, but I can speak for myself. And this will sound wierd and possibly a little insane, but never the less here we go.

I was in the Craft for years befor comming to Christ, I myself have seen the dead, and have walked the graves of life. I crossed the threshold of hell into the vally of death itself, to walk in the abode of the dead. I have faced Anubis, Hecate and the other faces of death one on one. And if it wern't for an Angel sent by God, I would at this moment, not be having this conversation. I don't do drugs, I don't drink "once a year maybe", but I was heavly into the works of Alister Crowley, and Gerald Gardner. Even done some of the Necranominacon. I have seen vengance Known as Noon "Demon".
So for me not to believe in a afterlife, then I would not be true to myself. And if I am not true to myself, how could I ever be True to God, who saved me from my own stupidity, for I had the puffed up mind, and I spoke evil of dignitary's. I was a tempest carried by the wind's of the craft. Our motto was An it harm none do what thou will, but the other side, to wich no one knew and the truth was to Do what thou will, that is the whole of the law. For the selfeshness to gain the knowlege of Thoth, was to use and remove anyone who stood in the way.
So can I not believe in the spirit world? NO I know personaly it is there. And I know God is above all, for Every Knee Shall Bow, and Every Toung Confess that Jesus Christ Is Lord Of All.


I stand by my last post, but I will entertain this!

If this where possible! It is also possible that certain things might be kept from them. ex: paul tells us there was a man who seen things in heaven, that it was not lawful for him to see.

Yes I can concieve it, but I cannot believe it. Where you say there is no proof, all I see is Total Proof.
As for shaking my faith, don't worry the only one who can do that is myself, and I thank God that He is always Faithful, even when I am not.


This was a good conversation GolfHobo, Thankyou

Slimland

 

You are welcome, Slim! Maybe, we'll do it again soon! 8)

Hobo

 

Hope so and Looking forward to it! 8)