Slimland I have a hard time believing that war will bring down the USA unless of course we get un Godly and weak minded people in charge of our country who won't use our military to defend us or if they try to use it to defend us the whole country will be so disrespectfully to God that he will allow us to fall.

 

Defend us from what?

 

Something I have been thinking about is if the USA does not completely fall but is severely weakened from a War like Germany after World War 1 and a figure maybe the Anti Christ rallies the people like Hitler and then creates the most powerful military the world has ever seen not defend us but to invade other countries and keep us in line like a dictator ship does.

 

Looks like I'm a little late to this discussion. I had stopped checking the Anything and Everything section, since there were no more religious arguments. These are the only interesting thing in this section.

I reckon I should start with what I believe first, so you know where I'm coming from. I used to have quite a few beliefs back when I was young and dumb. I'm not neccessarily talking about religious beliefs here, but they're included. I've learned a lot since then, and I learned that a lot of my beliefs were totally wrong. In some cases, a new belief replaced an old belief, and then I learned that it was also incorrect.

At some point, I realized that my ability to understand things is extremely limited. All I have to work with are five senses and a big monkey brain. The only thing that has proven fairly reliable is my ability to reason. I use it all the time, and it serves me pretty well. However, it doesn't work perfectly and it is totally dependent on the information I have available. So, therefore, all of my current beliefs are tentative. You could say that I don't quite believe my beliefs. If they are proven wrong, they immediately change. I sometimes make the incorrect assumption that other people have a similar belief system that can be influenced by facts and reasoning.

Since we've killed one horse, I'll move onto another that we only briefly discussed: What was the purpose of Jesus's sacrifice?

 

Well, let's set the scrpture aside on there one for the moment. Look at the price of oil. It varies from one country to the next. We have been dependant on foreign oil for some time now. And the more dependant we get, the higher the price goes. In two years, we'll be paying $5/gal. for gas and fuel. Our economy depends on oil. But there are a lot of people that have to drive to work and as the price of gas goes up, they can afford less and less. The Germans, during WWII tried to ruin our economy with counterfiet money. It didn't work. But drive up the price of our energy and you'll make it impossible for people to afford to get to work. You'll have homeless families across the country, and that's only the beginning. OPEC will control our economy without firing a shot. There won't be a war. We'll simply go under quietly. Things like gasahol and bio-disiel will only serve to slow it down. it only dilutes the oil. Instead, we need to be able to replace the oil with something else, and as long as there is little effort in that direction, we are at risk. Give us another 3 to 4 years and fuel will be at $10/gal or higher. It's going to go up in a geometric proportion. In 10 years, we won't have an economy anymore. That's our downfall.

By heating rubber in an oxygen free environment, you can drive off an oil that will work in a disiel engine. But that requires a great amount of heat, and with all the old rubber tires in this country, there would not be enough to power the country for more than a week. You can do the same with carbon based trash, but still not have enough. To produce enough alcohol or soybean oil to use for fuel, we would have to devote all our fields to that and have little for food production. We need to start NOW to re-engineer our sources of energy away from oil. But while there have been a few answers over the past century, that's as far as it's gotten.

In 1979, a motor was invented that runs on "ELECTRON-SPIN PROPULSION". It uses no fuel, no electricty, no wind, and no water. The power comes from permenant magnets. The patent is held by a Mr. Johnson of Blacksburg, VA. It works, but nothing has been done with it. There have been a few other inovations that have been around for several years, but no one has done anything with them either.

We have the technology to re-design our truck and car engines to run on something other than oil, but no one is doing it. As long as our economy is based on oil, it is in the hands of foreign suppliers. That's our downfall. How far will you go when you have to pay $10 to $15 a gallon for gas if you don't have a pay increase to be able to afford it?

 

I didn't just say war, but also maybe some disaster--and the disaster I had in mind was the Raptur. As for the economy, even though it fell, it would rise back up, but I do believe that food will be very exspensive, ie "A mesure of wheat for a Penny, or 3 Messure of Barley for a penny, but hurt not the oil and wine"

As for this country moving away from God, I think that this country is on that track, and realy close to the falling away!

 

Ok, we did go through this, but we will go through it again. And by the way good to talk to you again!

Life is in the blood, and the breath.

this is my understanding.

According to the old Law, there is no remmission for sin without the shedding of blood, and that would be the shedding of blood of the sinner "death of the Sinner". But God allowed, the sheeding of inocent blood, this would cover the sinner, so God would see inocents, and not the sin. But this would not take care of the conciance of the sinner. And therefor his conciance would still seperate him, because he knew that the blood of a animal was temporary. this is why they had to sacrifice every year.

If creation itself stands on Gods Word, then the denial of Gods Word is going against creation and the creator. Therfor to be put back in sinc would be to cover your self with creation that is not out of sinc. Kinda like the wolf in Bugsbunny show, he put on sheeps clothing so the sheep thought he was a sheep, and this is what they saw. "I know this is a bad anology, but I havn't got very good sleep latly"

So God knowing that this was temporary to the concious, and that the Coyot would again strike because his conciouse is defiled because of Sin. God made it easeir to believe in Him, by sending Himself to die for the sinner, therfor God would see His own blood, instead of the sinner. Not only this, but since it is Gods blood, and He is forever, therfor His cleansing is forever, therfor God see's creation in order instead of out of sinc. This is why, He said "There sins and Lawless acts, I will remember no more, and where these have been forgiven, there is now no more sacrifice for sin"
The sin He is talking about is the Sin of Unbelief.
The bible tells us that God cannot sin, and cannot be tempted.
But Jesus, is God and He was tempted, Hu?

I have stated befor that Evil in its purest form Glorifies God, for the essence of Evil shows us our need for God.and if it wern't for Evil man nore angels would have fallen from grace.
Evil is temptation- And temtation is not sin.
But the falling into temtation is sin.
So God cannot lie, for this would be denying Himself, therfor Temtation is futile, for temptation would be to get God, to deny Himself. and this is exactly what Lucifer tryed to do to Christ.
What would have happend if God would hae denied Himself, poof creation would have no longer exsisted, and niether would have God. So it would seem dumb, to think that God would have said I don't believe in myself.
So this make Him the perfect Sacrifice for man, because He can never deny Himself, and He lives forever, therfor those who believe in His Son, Which is the Word, have eternal Life, for He is the Breath and the Blood of creation.
This action did not change the Law of Creation, cause that still stands, either you believe or you don't. But it did change the sacrifice, and now there is no more sacrifice for sin, for this was done Once and For All, to those who believe in Him.
This is why, there are prophecys-- A testamony.
This is why there's history-- A testamony
THis is why there is the Word- A testamony
This is why we see creation-- A testamony
God the Father spoke of His Son-- A testamony
Jesus spoke of Himself-- A testamony
The Holy Spirit speaks of Jesus-- A testamony, and the Last given to men. This is why, blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not forgiven, it is the last testamony to man, of Christ. And it don't need forgivness, But a changing of the Mind! To believe or not to Believe!!!

 

I do not know much about this-- but I guess I will have to ride a bike! :lol:

If you can start a car, and remove the battery and it still run, because of the alternator. Why cant they make a vehicle that runs on bateries, and "oil for lubrication" make a alternator strong enough to charge theise batteries, so you would never run out of fuel. So the batteries run the vehickle and the altenator in turn charges the batteries, therfor creating a constant fuel ie energy?

 

Slim said:
Aligator sees a "move away from God" as inevitable and generally a good thing. Unfortunately, I do not see a move away from god happening right now. Contemporary christianity has assigned human qualities to their version of God and engages in the same silliness of prayer that muslims do, and although christianity is not exactly florishing it is hanging on very well.

God, I feel, does not "answer prayer". The talk of the word of god, son of god, will of god, god's plan, and etc. all contribute to our becoming increasingly irresponsible in that we look within ourselves less and less and rely upon god more and more.

We should reverse that trend. Not just christians, but muslims, and everyone else who has subscribed to what is described to the religious model by Huston Smith in his book "World's Religions". (The same book is called "The Religions of Man")
I believe that, contrary to the modern idea of "progress", the world is in a state of intellectual and spiritual decline, and I believe that most religions promote that decline by promoting themselves.

 

So let me get this right, You think that we should move away from God, and in the process this will reverse the spiritual decline? :?

Or did you mean move away from Religion? That would make more sense!

Thanks for responding to my question!
Now I kinda know where you stand.
So you do not deny God, you just don't believe the religious mumbo jumbo, no matter the religion! Is this right?