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#31
05-28-2007, 11:58 PM
Originally Posted by Shawnee
Originally Posted by golfhobo
Well... I don't suppose I'll get any awards for THIS post!
1) I wonder what women DID for thousands of years BEFORE paxil and other drugs when they "approached" the change of life? 2) I wonder why ANY woman who drives a truck would fall for this crap!? 3) My mother fell for this crap 40 years ago, and has been "screwed up" on meds ever since.... so I DO know what I'm talking about! 4) I, TOO, suffer from depression and ADD, and have forgone ALL meds since I started driving a truck, so I DO know what I'm talking about! 5) You DO realize, of course, that the pharmaceutical companies give your doctor LOTS of free samples to give away to anyone who even HINTS that they need help, so that HOPEFULLY, they will continue to BUY these prescription drugs for the rest of their lives, right? 6) Did I mention that women suffered this situation for YEARS upon YEARS without medically altering their BRAINS? 7) Did anyone tell you that these drugs can be HABIT FORMING? 8.) I'm out of material, so I guess I'll just add this.... Does anyone besides ME see this as the NEW method of "keeping the woman barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen?" Does anyone remember the song "Mother's little helper?" I've BEEN there and lived through it (with my mother.) I was there the day we managed to get her OUT of the mental institution that the doctors put her in! After 2 days in there, she said, "I'm not CRAZY, but if you leave me in here for long, I WILL be!" (It took us two weeks or more to get her out.) Have you tried vitamins (which are suspect)? Or accupuncture? Or Yoga? Have you tried ANYTHING (like EXERCISE?) besides sheepishly following your "so-called" doctor's advice to take mind altering drugs? Have you tried realizing that you're a woman, and post partum depression and menopause are a fact of your life? And before you say I'm "sexist," I feel the same way about PTSD, or whatever the "term du jour" is for suffering the horrors of WAR! Life sucks! Life is HARD! War is HELL! The drugs to treat these "symptoms of life" are expensive! Dubya has made sure that they cannot be gotten cheaper! What part of this medical charade do you not understand? This country was built by people (pioneers) who didn't have access to, nor need for these drugs. WHAT about childbirth has changed since then? Paxil for the "change of life?" Are you KIDDING ME?? Tell your doctor that, (since you've NOT taken drugs before and never needed them,) he can stuff his free samples of mind altering drugs and just make sure you have no biotic infections! Then, pull yourself out of whatever depression Oprah has convinced you that you SHOULD have about now, and get back to work! :roll: I'm NOT saying there's not a "change" in body temperature or temperament associated with the "change of life." We men have suffered "similar" changes throughout eternity. I'm saying.... quit letting a doctor "put you out to pasture" by giving you a mind altering drug (that could affect your driving career) just because it is expedient for HIM, profitable for the drug companies, and socially "expected" and "acceptable." God created your body and mind! He did NOT specify that certain drugs would be necessary to MAINTAIN them! By taking EVERY drug that comes down the pike, we are not only "questioning" his creation, we are "condemning" it! If you want your KIDS to be "drug free," start with YOURSELVES! Great post, You should get the award for telling it exactly like it is. I have read alot of books and articles about these multi-billion dollar parmacutecal companies and how they are only out to make money off of people, they don't give a damn about making people better, and these doctors prescribing these meds get big kickbacks from these companies for pushing their drugs.
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#32
05-29-2007, 06:16 AM
bottom line, unfortunately
Mojoe,
Unfortunately, based on my friend's experience (mentioned in my previous post), I do not think trucking companies are going to take a chance on someone who is on medication that is routinely classified as "anti-depressant" regardless of the reason your doctor is prescribing for you. I believe, as Golfhobo wrote, this is a job killer. And reading some of the posts, I too, object to the collective willingness to allow ourselves to be medicated. Life is just tough sometimes; knowing this might not make you feel better, but menopause is something that women do live through. (Consider some of the alternative diagnoses a person can given!) Again, best of luck and I hope you feel better.
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#33
05-29-2007, 06:36 AM
Once again i will state you are not required to inform your employer about any medications you are taking that is prescribed by a phsyician you are only required to notify them of any medical conditions that may affect your ability to do the job. Menopause nor depresssion are not considered conditions which adversely affect your ability to drive.
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#34
05-30-2007, 03:22 PM
Mojoe .... here's a list of med's that are considered 'conditional ... As some are saying - you don't have to tell the company your applying with ... but here's one important thing you must remember before making that decision .. to tell or not to tell ?? ........... If for any reason your in an accident ... and 9 times out of 10 it will end up in court ... (everyone sue's trucking companys) ... you will have to give a full list of med's your on at the time of the accident ... at that point in time your company could make the decision to terminate your employment once the case has been settled. Especially if they felt like you were trying to hide it.
Either way you go .. I hope your feeling better and the medicine is working for you. I understand what your going through ... it is ruff ... been there - done that. CONDITIONAL KNOCKOUT MEDICATIONS Drivers taking any ofthe following medications require an in-depth history regarding the medications. The use of these medications may not disqualify a driver, but the underlying diagnosis may. The history should include the name of the medications, reason for taking the medication (diagnosis) and dosage. If it is determined that the medication will be allowed, it is necessary to obtain a letter from the treating physician. The letter must include the medication name, dosage, reason for taking, how long taking, that the individual is not having any related side effects to the medication and that the individual is deemed safe to drive a commercial vehicle while taking the medication. ALPRAZOLAM ALDOMET AMITRIPTYLLNE ANAFRANIL ANTABUSE ATARAX ATIVAN ATROPINE BENTYL BUPROPION BUSPAR BUSPIRONE CELEXA CHLORDIAZEPOXIDE CHLORPROMAZINE CLOMIPRAMINE COUMADIN CYLERT DEPAKOTE DESIPRAMJNE DESYREL DIAZEPAM DIETHYLPROPLAN DONNATOL DOXEPINE DEXEDRINE EFFEXOR ELAVIL ESKALITH FENFLURAMINE FLUOXETINE FLUPHENAZINE FLUVOXAMLNE GEODON HALDOL HALOPERIDOL I-IYDROXAZINE IMIPRAMINE IOANAMINE LEXAPRO (Celexa/Prozac combined) LIBRAX LIBRIUM LITHIUM (Request most recent blood level) LITHOTABS LORAZEPAM LUVOX MELLARIL METHYLPHENIDATE METHYLDOPA (HIN) MIRTAZAPINE NEFAZODONE NAVANE NORPRAMINE NORTRIPTYLINE OXEZEPAM PAMELOR PAROXETINE PAXIL PEMOLINE PHENERGAN PHENTERMINE PONDIMIN PROLIXIN PROMETHAZINE PROZAC REMERON RISPERDAL RISPERTDONE RITALIN ROI-IYPNOL=Tranquilizer SERAX SERTRALINE SERZONE SINEQUAN STELAZINE TENUATEDOSPAN THIORLDAZINE TI-IIOTHIXENE TI-I0 RAZINE TIGAN TOFRANIL TRAZODONE TRIFLUOPERAZINE TRILAFON TRIMETHOBENZAMIDE VALIUM VALPROICACID= Antiseizure VALRELEASE VENLAFAXINE VISTARIL WARFARIN WELLBUTRIN XANAX ZOLOFT ZYBAN ZYPREXA
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#35
05-30-2007, 04:15 PM
you will have to give a full list of med's your on at the time of the accident
Why would you tell them you were on them at the time? That's just askin for it....
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#36
05-30-2007, 04:34 PM
I have a question... If your a trucker, and you have been diagnosed with a medical condition, that your doctor stated you needed medication to control, and you refused that medication.
Then you had an accident while on the job, wouldn't you be more liable?... Wouldn't your company be more liable, because you refused to take a medication that could have prevented what ever symptoms you were having, that may have affected your ability to drive?... Just curious... I mean isn't it like going to the eye doctor, and finding out you need eye glasses to drive, and you refuse to wear them, even though your doctor prescribed them for you... This woman was talking about being prescribed medication for anxiety disorder. If she were to find herself behind the wheel on the job, and suddenly have an anxiety attack, she could then end up in an accident and be found liable, for failure to take medication reccomended by her doctor to PREVENT the symptoms of the disorder. I agree with some comments that sometimes doctors over medicate people, or people end up on the wrong medicine for a condition, that's why they call them "side effects"... But, if your someone who suffers with say high blood pressure. I'm sure your boss wouldn't want you driving his rig without being on medication to control it... Because he would be more liable if you had a heart attack behind the wheel, and lost control of your rig, and took out a whole bunch of people in the middle of rush hour on some interstate... Just to add a comment about doctors, and medications... My father lost his mother to breast cancer. WHY?... Because my dad's father refused to take her to a doctor, and get her medical treatment... He stood by, and watched her suffer, and die instead... My father hated his dad for what he did, and didn't do for his mother, that was back in the 50's... If we didn't have medications today, we would have shorter life spans, and still suffer with diseases like scarlet fever, yellow fever, measles, polio, TB, etc... That's why every kid in the US anyway gets vaccinated... So, while everyone has an opinion, you need to do what you think is best for you... No one can make that decision for you... You can try the medication, if after a period of time it does't work for you, then you can discuss possibly trying some other alternative medication, or treatment. Discuss all your options with your doctor, ask a lot of questions, then decide what are your best options. I would think that your company has a policy you can read, that would give you the information you are seeking, as far as how this would affect your job. Find out what your company policy is, and what your rights are as a driver... I'm sure the DOT would be able to help you with this info. as well...
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#37
05-30-2007, 05:10 PM
jnk2001
Why would you tell them you were on them at the time?
That's just askin for it....
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#38
05-31-2007, 01:16 AM
Doesn't the DOT physical long form require listing of all medications, prescribed and over-the-counter?
There are usually consequences, albeit delayed, for actions. I'd rather be forthright and take the consequences than dissemble/deceive and take the consequences. One can either disclose the medical issue/ medications and don't get the job; don't disclose and get the job but if anything happens, lose one's job for non-disclosure. OR, get a second opinion on the medical condition (maybe from a female doctor! sorry, guys).
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#40
06-02-2007, 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by mojoe
when I get my Dot Physical. It is good for two years.
This form will be required of you by your prospective employer. At the time of my physical, I had been taking Wellbutrin on and off "recently" (in my opinion.) But, I quit taking any and all meds when I started CDL school. By the time I applied for a job, I decided that my last Wellbutrin had not been all that "recent," and after reading things about such drugs on THIS forum, I ..... um..... changed my mind on whether I NEEDED to "self disclose" this info, and .... well..... um...... I gave my employer an "altered" form of that first page. I figured it was MY page, I had disclosed the info, and now I wanted NOT to disclose it! [ I could just as easily have PAID for another physical, and left the info off.] If I am in an accident BEFORE my NEXT physical, and somone does some digging, MIGHT I be in a spot? Sure. But, NO ONE can prove that I HAVE taken the drug "recently" and NO ONE can actually prove that I NEED it. Meanwhile, I'm an EMPLOYED Trucker, and not half as nuts as SOME on this board and on the road! :lol: Point is, and that I was trying to make, is that if you don't REALLY need it, and don't have a long history of needing and taking it, WHY on EARTH would you let a DOC put you on something like that NOW.... when you are considering a career in trucking??? For what it's worth.... I've found that trucking has relieved MOST of my minor depression, anxiety, and other problems. Sometimes, just finding the right job is a whole lot better for you than DRUGS!
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