... And in the end it might all average out to about 12 bucks/hour at best for all of the time you should be logging.

Long Haul is a very small part of the companies operations. They weren't even allowing new long haul classifications out of DSM when I left, so your argument holds no weight. The typical TMC driver is NOT LONG HAUL and the typical TMC driver cannont make the money they advertise running legal. This false advertising is just one of the reasons their turnover rate is absurdly high. Your 34 hour restart while away from home isn't including OOR miles to get home, you are almost definitely on a load, you aren't loading/unloading... seems this may add up to a full day in many cases.


Yes I took TQM. The instructor even told me I had some of the best numbers in the class out of 40-50. He said I was a "stud" lol. Immediately after this, everything began falling apart. The class explains the ins and outs of the system, but it doesn't explain the hidden genius of it, in the fact that it is actually there to screw you.

I do have proof. I was dispatched on 3 different short mile/high dollar loads, all under 100 miles. The last one was 14 miles. I was paid by the mile. The first 2 I passively questioned, they told me no other loads/no other drivers, whatever. Obviously there were other drivers showing up shortly after me each time, and we all felt there were some screwball antics taking place. I asked for a fair rate on the 14 mile run since ~$5 for a days work isn't exactly what I call a fair rate. They refused. I took it anyway. At the shipper, I ran into another driver who was dispatched an hour later, even though he claimed to be empty earlier in the morning, on a 900+ mile load paying a relatively low rate... of course he was a % guy, and he was not happy. I called in to ask why I was lied to about my load, and expected to work for next to nothing. They said his load was booked later, too bad, we'll get you back later, help us out... blah blah blah. At this point I knew it was only a matter of time before I left these jokers. I've heard many similar stories from other drivers. If you think their pay systems exists only to benefit the driver, and not to give the company better options on boosting their numbers... even if it only means skimming a little bit here and there from the driver to pay the janitor... im sorry, but you are VERY naive.

I contend that it's easy enough to skim a few hundred bucks here and there in situations like the one above that they could easily pay a few of the office people's salaries(or possibly much more) when it all adds up. Don't try to boost your argument thinking that we're talking about pennies here.

Of course a company is in business to make money. They should do it without blatantly robbing their drivers. We aren't talking about capitalism here, we are talking about greed. For some people (and it seems you are one of them) the two are interchangeable. Please don't imply that you know anything about my political beliefs, or that I'm looking for a handout, or that i'm a commie... you couldn't be further from reality, and you come across in a very McCarthyesque, cliched dumed-down-trucker/Sean Hannity worshiping fashion. If you want to make a career of condescending argument instigating online you should consider taking an intro to philosophy/logic class because your arguments are full of fallacial holes.


An accounting headache? OH PUHLEEZ... maybe you've heard of this nifty program called Excel. They have these neat little boxes full of numbers and complicated formulas that crunch BIG numbers and do long division. I think TMC probably has something like that. I'm not angry or paranoid. You should seriously consider seeking professional help for this superiority/condescending/instigative complex problem of yours.


TMC isn't out to get me. They just happen to have a clever little payment plan that most companies wouldn't dare try to replicate because they know it just takes them 1 bogus step further than they need to be.

I'm very sorry that you're a TMC cheerleader, and the comany does seem to work real well for you, and you do defend them pretty good. The fact of the matter is they just aren't all that, and I happen to have a very low opionion of the way they operate, the intimidation/arrogance vibe of the company as a whole, and the buch of self-serving jerks running the company who let it all flow down from the top.

 

Poor Ole LennyD...

all the veriations
out there(OTR)
flying past his window,
between the mustard and the mayo,

must a driven him out-a his mind........

 

I am sorry Lenny that you feel the need to focus so much energy on hating TMC and by extension me. I hope you find peace with your current job.

I will admit to being naive when you admit to being paranoid

Actually my career is driving for pay, I simply tweak the TMC haters for personal amusement, sort of like with catch and release fishing the thrill is watching them take the bait. I will give you credit though very few people give a complete answer when challenged like that.

Never agrue with a fool, people watching may not be able to tell the difference.:eek:

 

I disagree, I frequently average 59 to 60 mph on long trips in my 65 mph truck. Of course a sissy freightliner may not be able to keep up.




The people will be just as dead weather I am right or wrong, so the logbook won't help them will it. Unsafe driving is still unsafe legally or illegally. Now why didn't you attack Lenny for running illegal by 2 hours per night? Are you biased perhaps?

I agree, but hourly drivers will drive under the speed limit and waste time so they can get paid more reducing productivity. There needs to be some sort of balance between the two in the perfect world.


FINALLY. I started this rumor back in February at our Indy terminal. It has actually made it to CAD after 8 months. Frankly I expected a quicker turnaround.

 

I wouldn't call a 15 minute non-proofread rant much of a focus of energy, and I don't hate you or even dislike you... I just think you're kind of an instigator who can't stand the other side of anything you believe in, and that's pretty damn annoying.

TMC is a company that leaves themselves wide open for plenty of hating, so i'm glad that you get some kind of sick amusement out of "tweaking" people as you say, I can't imagine how low I would have to feel to get any enjoyment out of that.

Being on the away team, I should avoid arguing with a cheerleader for the other side because someone might get the wrong idea and think that I actually care about the final score of the game, when i'm really only concerned about all their bad play calling and potential recruits who aren't getting the full picture.

 

Correct, although I do encourage opposing viewpoints as it gives me a chance to counter.

I suppose you are correct, and when you offer the perfect alternative I will respect your opinion. (I would like to point out that when you come in here with both guns blazing for TMC that it leaves you open for plenty of hating yourself. ) TMC does the things that they do because of the human nature of both drivers and customers. Where you see lies and deception I see a brilliant system to reward drivers for doing things right. I do admit that you can see things your way. Perhaps I see things differently because I have tried to manage people before and found it frustrating so I can see where TMC is coming from. There is no perfect system because humanity is flawed, but TMC makes a very good effort in my opinion.

It is a lot more enjoyable than simply bashing something for momentary pleasure.

By the way my record is not of sugarcoating anything but telling it like I see it. I have pointed out problems and frustration with TMC before and by no means am a cheerleader for TMC. I believe you are correct that recruits need information in order to succeed, but the outrageous manner in which you presented your views fails to help anyone. Break it down into something people can use rather than just commiserate with. I know you are capable of thinking things through and sharing a lot of good advice if you put your mind to it. Direct your energy to something constructive instead of destructive and you will be much more satisfied with your life.

 

I have also been in a position of managing people before. I and a couple friends brought a startup entertainent company from nothing to well over 750k/year annual profit in a matter of months. The business failed because competition hopped on us and improved on our product. The owner was greedy and could only see the short term, failing to pump much needed cash back into improving his product. Ultimately, the business failed ONLY because the little guys were'nt given enough power.
I found that managing the people below you is easy, it's the ones who are above you that make it difficult.

I don't bash anyone/anything for momentary pleasure. Although I will admit I vent about it... seeing that it "contributes" to an ongoing discussion.

I've never seen you express a single frustration with TMC, but if you have, I do applaud you (I'm not about to go looking through 200+ pages and I could care less, and you are still very much a cheerleader in my mind).

If you perceive my manner to be outrageous, well that's just your opinion. I have every right to present my opionions without sugarcoating as well. If I have to be destructive about it, seeing that THEY HAVE blatantly ripped me off(and what a suprise, a trucking company ripping off a driver) then so be it. Where you see the superficial surface of a brilliant system, I see deception and lies that I have experienced first hand.

I've done plenty of "breaking down" of real things that i've experienced with this company. While I only really see you speaking in vague, fluffy pillow talk.

Here you go again, getting your last word in as an ad hom attack, implying that I'm not satisfied with my life in order to make your argument that much more sound! Do you have even the slightest clue as to how dopey that sounds to someone with just a beginniners understanding of logic?

 

Not sure how long it's been since you and TMC parted ways, but 10 hours of illegal drive time a week probably isn't going to happen, they watch our hours pretty closely now.

I had an interesting 2 weeks, had an incident on a mountain road in rural TN, it was a bad situation I'd rather not talk about, safety guys in Indy are real decent, lets just say I'm lucky I still have a job and was not seriously injured or killed.

no cheerleader here, I stand by my opinion that they are a decent company to work, fit my needs better than anyone else I've seen, while they are strict and not everything is perfect they have been fair to me in my 6 months there.

tried long haul for a couple weeks, ended up running 3600 miles the week before last, it was nice but I still am having an extremely hard time getting the day off that I earned, stayed out 3 weekends now and haven't gotten anything other than my ususal 34 hour "weekend" off. this aspect of it is frustrating, freight has slowed down but I have been moving and at least making money so I can't complain too much.

if you head to the Knoxville area, stay off TN116!

 

Glad to hear you're ok. Accidents even happen to the best. I believe I've been down that road before. Scary!

Safe travels.

 

Yikes has everybody stoped using this thread.

:thumbsup:Naw I bet that everybody just got busy,
and that's a good thing... :thumbsup: