[Mr. Ford95]

Nope Yoop, the penalty was for NASCAR to officially park him during the final 3 laps. Once he took Ambrose out, they made the call to Gordon's crew chief to inform them they were DQ'ed. Earnhardt and others were known for doing the same stuff and letting their team know they were going to do it beforehand. NASCAR will not make his punishment more severe for intentionally wrecking another driver. They will make it more severe, if they choose, for him ignoring their orders. NASCAR was in the right except for the fact of not stopping the race to remove Gordon from the track. They followed the rules and precedents they have already set(see the Nashville race,) no matter how much Robby Gordon wants to squeal like a pig in the other direction. If he don't like the rules, then stick to Baja where you can pull whatever you want on your other competitor's out in the desert.

I think the race was great and the fans sure ate it up. The only thing missing was a slugfest in the infield. To me the track is a tad too long for stock cars. 2.77 miles means you have some real long caution periods when you go full course yellow.

[yoopr]

The only thing missing was a slugfest in the infield.

Used to have A LOT of that up here at our track

You're missing something though-Gordon was TOLD to go back to the 13th or whatever position and when he didn't he was given the Black Flag and told to park and THEN he slammed him.
There wasn't Any precedent for that-Not Junior or anybody

You're gonna be mighty surprised when NASCAR hands out his penalty-I predict they're going to rip him a new one-It's usually Wed. isn't it

[Mr. Ford95]

I believe it was Ramsey Poston that was quoted, he is the NASCAR spokesman. He said that NASCAR parked him only after he wrecked Ambrose, that they gave him the black flag for not restarting in the proper position. Once he dumped Ambrose, they gave him the black flag with the white line diagonally across it which signifies that he is no longer being scored and informed his crew that he was "parked." Poston said that every NASCAR message/directive WAS delivered to Robby, he simply chose to ignore those.

The possible further penalty either comes out today or tomorrow at the latest. It will hinge on how he left the meeting with NASCAR officials after the Busch race. If they feel their message was delivered and he understands then a monetary fine, if they feel it still has not gotten thru, it will be bigger. Harvick is the closest to the same thing. He was parked at the Martinsville truck race in 2002 for rough driving after he blantantly tried to wreck Coy Gibbs several times. He tried to show NASCAR up the same way Robby did. He pulled his truck nose to the trailer like he was some punk, bad@ss, revving the engine and went into the trailer yapping. He came out with his tail between his legs. The message was delivered and he saw no further suspension.

[yoopr]

The Idiot DOESN'T understand it because the idiot still says he won the Race.

My prediction, for what that's worth, is at the minimum a One Race suspension(Not including Pocono) and preferably the Rest of the Season , Plus a monstrous fine and mui mucho points.

Robbie Gordon Thinks he's bigger than NASCAR and NASCAR has GOT to nail him.
This is bigger than equipment "Modifications" or anything else.
Hope I'm right on this-he's pretty contemptable.

[Mr. Ford95]

I hate Robby as much as you do yoop. Just playing devil's advocate on the possible penalty and how NASCAR is going to go about reviewing it. Does it really do any good to suspend the driver in this case?? Being a single car team and the driver being the owner, the most possible hurt is the loss of owner points and a large fine BUT, do you take points from his Busch total or his Cup total or both?? Robby said it himself after being fined for illegal equipment and stuff the past 2 years, the fines hurt way worse because they are already working on a limited budget.

Robby and his fans still do not agree with the caution crap that went on. Here is a better example, the yellow flag flies and you slow down and maintain your position and speed. Suddenly your car shuts off and comes to a stop. 5 cars pass you while your sitting there trying to re-fire it. You are not maintaining your speed or position anymore, therefore you will restart in whatever position you were in when you got back up to speed. Say that is 15th but you were in 10th before the engine problem. Under the NASCAR rule book, you will restart 15th and that rule has not changed since it was written into the rule book.

[yoopr]

I just got back from town and was listening to the Sirius Godfather and a caller talked of banning him from Busch for a year.
Like the Godfather and the rest of the crew they said Big Deal-He doesn't even race much in the Busch circuit anyway-I agree.

[Mr. Ford95]

Which is quite the problem NASCAR has, penalize him in the Cup Series and the fans might have a cow over it since it happened in the Busch Series. But he doesn't race enough in the Busch Series to be worthwhile of a punishment, this was his 5th race this year. I hear Mike Helton and Brian France are still seething, so Robby better duck because he may have the book thrown at him. Bill Jr. always made it well known that no one driver or person was bigger than the show like Robby acted. He always acted swiftly and made sure the offending person was set straight.

[yoopr]

I hear Mike Helton and Brian France are still seething, so Robby better duck because he may have the book thrown at him.

I'm tellin ya-Throw the one finger salute at NASCAR when you're a driver hang on for a bumpy ride.

Trouble is look at the video replays at the time of the incednet he was running second THEN HE WAS SPUN OUT AFTER THE FIELD WAS FROZEN IN PLACE. The next lap told retake second place then the next lap told take 13th I agree with Robby Gordon on this one HE GOT SCREWED HERE. Nascar just opened a can of worms whats to say now during the chase Jeff Gordon does not dump Hamlin during a caution if he is ahead of Gordon to prevent Gordon from winning the Championship see the Pandora's Box that was opened there. Plus Robby had 3 laps to respond to the black flag and NASCAR themselves only gave Robby 1 lap before pulling his scoring they broke their own rules this is going to be interesting.

[Mr. Ford95]

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006

Trouble is look at the video replays at the time of the incednet he was running second THEN HE WAS SPUN OUT AFTER THE FIELD WAS FROZEN IN PLACE. The next lap told retake second place then the next lap told take 13th I agree with Robby Gordon on this one HE GOT SCREWED HERE.

Sorry, that ain't the rules. Whether it was still green or already under yellow, you must maintain a reasonable speed once the yellow is out. He did not maintain, look at the replay again, he was sitting there not moving as 12 cars drove by. They are not supposed to stop and wait for him to get going again, how do they know he hasn't broken a tranny or something?? Maybe the rule needs some tweaking but that is how the rule currently is and NASCAR stuck to their guns on it. They simply had to review video to see where he was truly supposed to line up. That is not uncommon so NO he did not get screwed. NASCAR is constantly doing reviews when a race goes yellow and you will always see some positions get changed after they make their intial call. Same deal here, they made their original call and it was wrong. Another team either protested the line-up or asked for a review or NASCAR themselves decided to check the video to be safe. Either way, it was the correct call under the current rule.

Originally Posted by ironeagle2006

Plus Robby had 3 laps to respond to the black flag and NASCAR themselves only gave Robby 1 lap before pulling his scoring they broke their own rules this is going to be interesting.

Again, Robby is tossing out a bunch of BS on this. He was DQ'ed per Ramsey Poston, "For intentionally wrecking the #59 after already receiving his black flag, NASCAR went into emergency mode and immediately disqualified the #55." They did not break their own rules, Robby was driving so dangerously that they were forced to park him before he got someone killed, unfortunately Robby continued to race on. They have done this in the past, see the Harvick incident at Martinsville. They immediately DQ'ed him after they saw that he was intent on wrecking Gibbs at all cost, the only difference, he actually listened and parked it.