Trouble with the FCC (need help)
#31
03-26-2008, 11:31 PM
Originally Posted by Piece Of Work
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#32
03-27-2008, 12:59 PM
All that is well and good-----when it comes to short-ranged communications. These affected technologies depend on VHF and UHF where there is little or no effect from atmospherics. We are, in the case of CB and amateur radio, talking about frequencies that have the potential to interfere with other countries on HF. There are also TREATIES that most of us don't even know about that have to be taken into consideration when it comes to regulating HF communications. For one thing, it is one of the reasons for CB rules that prohibit intentional "skip" talking. Yet CBers do it like a religious rite, ignoring the rules against it. Often the excuse/argument is that "I can't help that it skips, so I might as well take advantage of it". It creates interference to legitimate stations. Just because you HEAR it, it does not mean you HAVE to WORK it. Those treaties are one of the reasons that there has been no "privatizing" of radio spectrum, AND because it would have little affect on High Frequency radio.
As for "outdated" communications, it is a rather ignorant point of view considering that the target of such resentment (amateur radio) is the basis for MOST radio technology we have today. It goes back to Marconi when the first transatlantic radio message was sent. It sure as h--- wasn't done via the chicken band, boys! In fact, the very CB band so ardently cherished by its supporters and truckers was created out of-----TA DA! ..........The amateur radio service's 11 Meter band. Why? Because at the time it was the least invasive and most technologically feasible solution. Want to talk about "outdated"? NOTHING MORE STUCK IN 1958 THAN YOUR BELOVED CHICKEN BAND. In 40 YEARS, CB radio has received a total of 17 more "channels" and the ability to use Single Sideband. The radios look basically the SAME as they did in 1958. With the exception of remote microphone buttons, rebel flags, and chrome faces, WHOOP- TEE-DOO. NUTTIN', NADA, ZILCH, NICHTS, NEIN!  What respectable additions have been awarded to CB? Hmmmmm (I'm thinkin', I'm strainin' to find some............................) Yeah, there's amplifiers that splatter all over the place. There's shops that twist and turn pots and make ignorant people think they've got 100 watts out of a Cobra 29. There's "export radios with illegal 'extree channels'. That's about all. :sad: Amateur radio has MILLIONS of frequencies and is often being awarded MORE (such as the 60 Meter band which is around 5 MHZ. So why did they do that? Because it is a SHARED band with Federal Emergency Management and will be used as a coordinated HF band in time of emergency (like 9/11). It is also serves as a "bridge" between 3.5 MHZ and 7 MHZ when something called "MUF" is low (has to do with the mechanics of propogation that is studied AND respected by the authorities because of the hams' study of it. Hey, there's a LOT more to using High Frequency radio than an appliance operator can grasp :wink: ). Because conscientious hams study and advance their craft beyond (crank up them thar watts and 'f'ar in th' w'ar thar!) that of the archaic CB band, their training is USED by the Feds both on the state and Federal level in time of disaster. They even receive FUNDING for equipment and disaster operations from FEMA in recognition of their abilities. Then there's the equipment that makes them thar CB reddios look really quaint! CB radios have "channels" that are pre-selected and are MEANT to be used as built at the factory. Amateur radios have "memories" that, in recognition of hams' acquired knowledge of electronics, allow the ham to select his OWN frequencies and place them into a desired memory slot for quick recall. Often there are over 100 memory slots as opposed to the 40 channels of a CB. Sure, you might have 8 "bands" of "channels", but don't forget: they are illegal because we are not supposed to be ON those frequencies to begin with & because they belong to somebody ELSE! You're just foolin' yerself thinking you got all them thar channels. Get caught, and you're toast! Does your CB radio get in the way in your pickup truck? Nowhere to PUT it? The typical mobile amateur radio covers from 1.8 to 30 MHZ in 8 REAL, legal bands. It covers 50. 144, and 440 MHZ. It is a General Coverage receiver, an aircraft receiver and a scanner. It transmits from 100 to 200 watts (on average without a "leenyar').It transmits ALL modes from AM to SSB, to CW (morse code) to FM. It can be about the SAME size of that oh-so-wonderful CB radio some of us are sooooo crazy about AND..........................remember trying to find a place to put that chicken band radio? MANY of them have FULL remote control heads where the body of the radio can be put elsewhere! Same for dedicated VHF/UHF radios. The equipment simply blows away ANY CB radio and leaves it in the dust! Cost? Those illegal "10 Meter" radios can be over $600. A simple HF radio for amateur radio? About the same (Icom IC718). A radio that covers ALL amateur bands? Around $1200. BUT! If you had to buy individual radios to cover each HF and VHF band, you'd have to have about 8 of them. $1200 divided by 8 = $150 EACH! Pretty cheap! ]So if we are trying to say that amateur radio is somehow "obsolete", we are WAY off the mark because it is STILL a proven resource for emergency communications and still remains a bastion for the tinkerer and inventor of things electronic! OTH, if any so-called "hobby" radio should be eliminated, it would be the archaic, outdated, and stuck-in-1958 technology of CB radio with its noise toys, illegal operation, interference to licensed services, and Model T radios with chrome faces that beep and squeak and talk with distorted audio! To a REAL communications quasi-professional, CB radio is a boring, annoying boorish toy! An official in FCC told me personally that the reason they DON'T abolish CB radio is because it keeps the intrusions "sort of" coralled on 27 MHZ instead of having the outlaws roaming all over the place!Amateur Radio is a worldwide avocation. It's not going anywhere anytime soon. I can understand the previous post since it comes from the standpoint of an appliance operator who has never really had any training nor any exposure to radio in a professional way, or even hobby use on a higher plane. One can't possibly understand why things are the way they are when they only have the knowledge that comes from purchasing a CB and just using it like a toaster: you push the button and VOILA! It comes on! There is FAR more to radio than an 11 Meter CB radio. RR
#33
03-27-2008, 02:24 PM
I don't even use the cb radio hardly. once again RR you avoided the point and tried to hide the true argument at hand behind trivial dribble.
I understand that the Ham radio is the reason we have so many technological advances. just like the horse and buggy is the reason we have cars but you don't see horse and buggy drivers coming on here and telling "drivers" to get off the roads blah blah! I respect that you have a hobby (obsession?) but really the question at hand is why doesn't the FCC just shut down the Illegals and come to the rescue of the "hams". the answer they can't shut them down and they really could care less. your disillusioned dream of one day the Great and powerful FCC will come and rescue you and clean up your coveted frequencies is just that, a dream! since you raised the point of 9/ll, how exactly did the "ham" operators help out and why has there been no documented reports of such help? do you have any cut and pasts to share that supports your claim? my point is your a dying breed and your mission, while noble is futile. before to long people will be talking on your frequencies as freely as they please. so general Custer if you feel the need to continue your fight by all means please do, just don't expect to win your fight!
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#34
03-27-2008, 04:40 PM
Can you not GOOGLE it for yourself? It's ALL OVER THE INTERNET AS A DOCUMENTED FACT!
Here's just a few instances: http://thequackshack.com/forums/radi...7e554be62d643a ID=2725 Validation Key: 71874a35b19d15f12b7e554be62d643a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur...communications http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/12/28/100/?nc=1 www.hamradio-dv.org/p25/apco-arrl-memoranda.pdf www.almondtree.com/ARES/ARCmou.htm - http://www.wa8mac.net/Newsletters/Ma...May%202005.pdf The Aiken County, South Carolina, Office of Emergency Management has received a $100,000 grant to fund a new Amateur Radio Emergency Service ARES) trailer. The US Department of Homeland Security grant was distributed via the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division's Office of Homeland Security Grants Administration. The project will provide a state-of-the-art communications vehicle for ARES members to assist served agencies. ARRL South Carolina Section Manager Jim Boehner, N2ZZ, says the project was the brainchild of several radio amateurs, including ARRL members and Section leadership. "Bob Besley, K4NJN, wrote the grant after participating in a statewide homeland security drill in August 2004 and seeing a need for amateurs to have equipment that becomes useful in the event of a large-scale disaster," he said. "This trailer is exclusively for Amateur Radio." The grant will enable the purchase of a new 28-foot air-conditioned communica- tions trailer loaded with HF, VHF and UHF radio gear as well as packet capabil- ity, GPS, wireless Internet, live National Weather Service reports, satellite TV and more. Boehner and Besley believe the grant marks the first time the Depart- ment of Homeland Security has provided funding of this magnitude for an Amateur Radio communications facility. "A portable 2-meter repeater has been secured and will be available to provide on-scene communications as needed," Boehner said. In addition, the vehicle will be equipped with Winlink 2000 to enable Internet and e-mail via HF. The State Emergency Operations Center also will have Winlink 2000 capability. Complementing the onboard TV facilities will be an innovative 3x4-foot two-way projection screen at the rear of the vehicle. It will not only be viewable inside from the six-person conference table but from outside to aid in group briefings and video presentations. Separate 17-inch LCD screens throughout the unit will have VCR/DVD capability. Powering the unit will be a 10 kW generator with an onboard diesel tank to allow continuous operation for more than 24 hours before refueling. A 30-foot mast con- trollable from inside the trailer will provide antenna support. Satellite communication, including high-speed Internet connections, will be via an automatic roof-mounted dish antenna. A local area computer network and router will complement several laptops at work stations. While the trailer will primarily be deployed within Aiken County, emergency offi- cials in neighboring counties may request its use as needed. "It is intended to be a resource for the South Carolina Section, upon request of the respective county or state Emergency Management Department and the District Emergency Coor- dinator in that area," Boehner said. The trailer is now on order and set for delivery in early July, although Boehner says it could arrive in time for ARRL Field Day June 25-26. Local radio amateurs plan to cover the costs of the van's upkeep through swapfests and other fundrais- ers. HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT FUNDS ARES TRAILER IN SOUTH CAROLINA ARRL Special E-Newsletter TOPOFF 3—continued from page 3. Connecticut's phase of TOPOFF 3 began April 4 with a bang--an explosion in New London meant to simulate a terrorist attack. "Loud enough that the organizers passed out earplugs for the media gathered on the bluffs above," recounted ARRL Media and Public Relations Manager Allen Pitts, W1AGP--a former Connecticut Section Emergency Coordinator and current ARES member. Visual realism was very much a part of the $16 million exercise, and prospective ARES volunteers were cautioned in ad- vance. "As the mushroom cloud of smoke drifted away," Pitts said, describing the explosion's immediate aftermath, "hundreds of gory victims processed into the site to assume positions of death and agony." Pitts says Amateur Radio's real work only began in earnest after the media also drifted away, once the smoke and simulated blood were gone. After ARES stood down from the drill late on April 6, ARRL Connecticut Section Manager Betsey Doane, K1EIC, and SEC Chuck Rexroad, AB1CR, said they felt Amateur Radio acquitted itself very well during the drill. "The energy, enthusiasm and absolute dedication of all the volunteers for this event are a testament to the real dedication and teamwork in the Connecticut Section," Doane said in a statement thanking all who took part. Rexroad agreed. "It's just been amazing," he said. "People came into this drill prepared and ready to stay. It was a very positive experience." Under the National Disaster Plan, the Red Cross has primary responsibility for mass care. ARES provided communication among all of the Red Cross emergency response vehicles (ERVs), mobile canteens, kitchen, headquarters and other sites the organization needed stay in touch with. In all, as many as 40 of the 150 ARES volunteers from Connecticut and other states in the Northeast were deployed to the field at any given time, and everyone got to take part at some point. "Everybody had a job to do," Rexroad said. "Everyone had at least one shift when they were able to get on the radio and provide communications sup- port." Doane also credited the ARRL Amateur Radio Emergency Communications courses and other training with raising the overall level of operating skill--even among newer operators. "There were a few new people that were assigned to be observers, and before the end of the drill ended up trained well enough to be an operator on an ERV," she said. "I have to tell you, I was impressed." TOPOFF 3 required participants to be ready for unexpected events, and the ARES operation was no exception. "The only big curveball we got thrown was when one of the judges decided they were going to take one of our repeaters down," Rexroad explained. Connecticut ARES was able to promptly switch to a backup. Ironically, a genuine repeater breakdown occurred just before the exercise got under way. Rexroad and Doane agreed that TOPOFF 3 not only was a success but a helpful learning experience for ARES. "We learned a fair number of lessons, and most of them were organizational, not technical, in nature," Rexroad remarked. Rexroad says Connecticut ARES also prepared to assist the Connecticut Office of Emergency Management and actually activated several of its stations to show the state officials that it had the back-up coverage in case they needed it. A bioterrorism incident was the scenario in New Jersey--the only other TOPOFF 3 site. Emergency officials there not only were key to the exercise, they had real problems owing to flooding in the northern part of the state. ARES teams in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania participated in the flood emergency response and relief effort. Brian Fernandez, K1BRF, a Connecticut Assistant SM and ARES liaison to the Red Cross said Amateur Radio's perform- ance in TOPOFF 3 did not go unnoticed within the Department of Homeland Security. "Amateur Radio made a major contribution to the nation," he said, "and those who contribute to making it safer and stronger and folks in the right places know it." Go google the info for yourself: it's no secret! And your typical chicken band bull---- about "dying" hobby is just that: BS from those who have no idea about what they are talking about. In 1959, there were about 600,000 hams. In 2008 there are still about 600,000 hams. So there's no danger of amateur radio "dying off" anytime soon. AS for FCC not caring, actually they DO. It is CONGRESS that has no idea of what needs to be done. FCC is under-funded. Within the agency, MANY of the technical and LEGAL people ARE hams--such as the Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement. A LOT of actions have been filed in the last few years against truckers and CBers and some pretty hefty fines of up to $10,000 each. Pilot Travel Centers paid $90,000 to settle a notice of liability for selling the illegal radios. Again, it's all over the internet IF one knows how to find it. Just because YOU don't know what's what doesn't make it true. *I* can pronounce that the sky has fallen, but it doesn't make it true. I can't help it people make false and inaccurate statements when they actually don't know the facts! Just last week, a shop in Colorado was FINED $7,000 for selling the illegal "10 meter" radios. Hardly a matter of "they don't care". Go READ it on Google; it's all there! By the way, I couldn't find ONE instance of a grant to them thar CB reddio outlaws fer dem leenyars so they could git on them reddios an pass that d'ere eeeee-mer-gen-cee traffic thar fer them FEMA fellers thar, tan fer, thar mercy sakes 'live thar, ah know whucha mean thar, bre'k, bre'k thar! HA! RR
#35
03-28-2008, 07:01 AM
once again RR I asked you for documented proof of how the "hams" actually helped out on 9/11 you failed to prove your point! you instead pasted some thing that pertains to something that happened after the fact. that does not support your original claim!
you also had to bring up your detest of the cb radio how does that help your claim of the fcc will come to your rescue? your numbers prove that there has been NO growth in the "ham" usage in 40 plus years? not really a good argument that the FCC should concern themselves with it. the FCC is under funded because NO ONE CARES!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!! if people cared and the fcc could convince them then they would get the funding they need. someone once told me not to argue with ignorance because they will just drag you to there level an beat you with experience! i'm finally starting to understand what that means
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#36
03-28-2008, 08:18 AM
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Okay, you want to see what trained Amateur radio operators did to help after 9/11 - read here: http://hometown.aol.com/realhamradio/
But then again, you are probably just looking to argue with RR, and probably will not take the time. This mans story and many others like it are well documented. There have been about a 1/2 dozen Hams die since 9/11 from that dust! Katrina, 2 Amateur radio operators that were truck drivers, were the first to get accurate information out of New Orleans after the Hurricane went through. Hundreds or Amateur Operators took part in communication and clean up efforts throughout the Gulf Coast after hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Greensburg, KS - Amateur radio was the only communication out of there for several days, until the Red Cross and FEMA managed to get the portable cell towers on line. Just last month, after a series of Tornadoes in Georgia, first responders were made of Amateur Radio operators. Do not spout off at the mouth like many of the truck CB Rambo's that your hear with nothing better to do at the truckstops. As for the FCC and CB enforcement! The FCC passed the ability for states to enforce the laws regulating Citizen Band radios on to the states and local entities! Below is a cut and paste of the e-mail I received from the FCC on the subject: You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC. During his term of office, President Clinton signed legislation that permits the enforcement of certain CB Radio regulations by state and local authorities. This is now known as PL 106-521. The law authorizes state and localities to enact ordinances prohibiting the use of unauthorized CB equipment - consistent with FCC rules. This includes the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that is not FCC-certified. The Communications Act of 1934, as amended, Sec. 302(f)(1) [excerpt] . . . "a State or local government MAY ENACT A STATUTE OR ORDINANCE that prohibits a violation of the following regulations of the Commission under this section: ''(A) A regulation that prohibits a use of citizens band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission. '' (B) A regulation that prohibits the unauthorized operation of citizens band radio equipment on a frequency between 24 MHz and 35 MHz." [47 U.S.C. 302a] I know first hand, that Pennsylvania DOT does use this law! When I was running that part of the country, I witnessed them doing the inspections and confiscating the equipment. Houston, TX - right now, as we chat hear, there are 2 enforcement teams tracking several individuals that are not only operating on 11 meters (Citizen Band), but there actions are interferring with Public Service and Emergency communications. One has even been recorded bleeding over on a satellite broadcast to the other side of the world. An organization I am a member of, has been asked to be on a board of consultants, regarding possible enforcement actions through a State of Texas entity. So obviously, someone does give a S&^%! And is starting to go after the heavy hitters, and may start coming after the casual users, like us truck drivers that choose to run down the road with those good old Texas Stars and Palomars displayed proudly on the dash like a trophy. You guys love beating up on RadioRay, but this is a real situation. Amateurs do provide a real and beneficial public service, and many Amateurs were, some still are, CB'ers. And many of your fellow truckers are licensed Amateurs. As far as growth, in Amateur Radio, you can find the real numbers at www.arrl.org or the www.fcc.gov, if you are willing to do the research, but again, and doubt that you will! All the states are looking at ways to generate revenue, and some have started really looking into the radio enforcement. And with the level of fines they could generate, hmm, like taking candy from a baby for some state officials. But then again, ............. Don't cry foul that you did not know they could do that! And DO NOT knock those that take the time to learn, become licensed and enjoy a really fun and valuable hobby! Had it not been for the work of Amateur radio many years ago (long before your were born), you would not even have the CB's to spout of the ignorance, apethy and stupidity we here everyday on channel 19. Have a great day!
Originally Posted by got mud?
once again RR I asked you for documented proof of how the "hams" actually helped out on 9/11 you failed to prove your point! you instead pasted some thing that pertains to something that happened after the fact. that does not support your original claim!
you also had to bring up your detest of the cb radio how does that help your claim of the fcc will come to your rescue? your numbers prove that there has been NO growth in the "ham" usage in 40 plus years? not really a good argument that the FCC should concern themselves with it. the FCC is under funded because NO ONE CARES!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!! if people cared and the fcc could convince them then they would get the funding they need. someone once told me not to argue with ignorance because they will just drag you to there level an beat you with experience! i'm finally starting to understand what that means
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#37
03-28-2008, 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
Okay, you want to see what trained Amateur radio operators did to help after 9/11 - read here: http://hometown.aol.com/realhamradio/
But then again, you are probably just looking to argue with RR, and probably will not take the time. This mans story and many others like it are well documented. There have been about a 1/2 dozen Hams die since 9/11 from that dust! Katrina, 2 Amateur radio operators that were truck drivers, were the first to get accurate information out of New Orleans after the Hurricane went through. Hundreds or Amateur Operators took part in communication and clean up efforts throughout the Gulf Coast after hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Greensburg, KS - Amateur radio was the only communication out of there for several days, until the Red Cross and FEMA managed to get the portable cell towers on line. Just last month, after a series of Tornadoes in Georgia, first responders were made of Amateur Radio operators. Do not spout off at the mouth like many of the truck CB Rambo's that your hear with nothing better to do at the truckstops. As for the FCC and CB enforcement! The FCC passed the ability for states to enforce the laws regulating Citizen Band radios on to the states and local entities! Below is a cut and paste of the e-mail I received from the FCC on the subject: You are receiving this email in response to your inquiry to the FCC. During his term of office, President Clinton signed legislation that permits the enforcement of certain CB Radio regulations by state and local authorities. This is now known as PL 106-521. The law authorizes state and localities to enact ordinances prohibiting the use of unauthorized CB equipment - consistent with FCC rules. This includes the use of high-power linear amplifiers or equipment that is not FCC-certified. The Communications Act of 1934, as amended, Sec. 302(f)(1) [excerpt] . . . "a State or local government MAY ENACT A STATUTE OR ORDINANCE that prohibits a violation of the following regulations of the Commission under this section: ''(A) A regulation that prohibits a use of citizens band radio equipment not authorized by the Commission. '' (B) A regulation that prohibits the unauthorized operation of citizens band radio equipment on a frequency between 24 MHz and 35 MHz." [47 U.S.C. 302a] I know first hand, that Pennsylvania DOT does use this law! When I was running that part of the country, I witnessed them doing the inspections and confiscating the equipment. Houston, TX - right now, as we chat hear, there are 2 enforcement teams tracking several individuals that are not only operating on 11 meters (Citizen Band), but there actions are interferring with Public Service and Emergency communications. One has even been recorded bleeding over on a satellite broadcast to the other side of the world. An organization I am a member of, has been asked to be on a board of consultants, regarding possible enforcement actions through a State of Texas entity. So obviously, someone does give a S&^%! And is starting to go after the heavy hitters, and may start coming after the casual users, like us truck drivers that choose to run down the road with those good old Texas Stars and Palomars displayed proudly on the dash like a trophy. You guys love beating up on RadioRay, but this is a real situation. Amateurs do provide a real and beneficial public service, and many Amateurs were, some still are, CB'ers. And many of your fellow truckers are licensed Amateurs. As far as growth, in Amateur Radio, you can find the real numbers at www.arrl.org or the www.fcc.gov, if you are willing to do the research, but again, and doubt that you will! All the states are looking at ways to generate revenue, and some have started really looking into the radio enforcement. And with the level of fines they could generate, hmm, like taking candy from a baby for some state officials. But then again, ............. Don't cry foul that you did not know they could do that! And DO NOT knock those that take the time to learn, become licensed and enjoy a really fun and valuable hobby! Had it not been for the work of Amateur radio many years ago (long before your were born), you would not even have the CB's to spout of the ignorance, apethy and stupidity we here everyday on channel 19. Have a great day!
Originally Posted by got mud?
once again RR I asked you for documented proof of how the "hams" actually helped out on 9/11 you failed to prove your point! you instead pasted some thing that pertains to something that happened after the fact. that does not support your original claim!
you also had to bring up your detest of the cb radio how does that help your claim of the fcc will come to your rescue? your numbers prove that there has been NO growth in the "ham" usage in 40 plus years? not really a good argument that the FCC should concern themselves with it. the FCC is under funded because NO ONE CARES!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!! if people cared and the fcc could convince them then they would get the funding they need. someone once told me not to argue with ignorance because they will just drag you to there level an beat you with experience! i'm finally starting to understand what that means with that said it still does not show that the FCC is going to crack down this stuff. yes the states may be making a few busts here and there but that is not the FCC. my point is the FCC can't stop it with the funds they have and they will not get more funds because the general public does not care. disprove that and I will stand corrected other wise my original point stands
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#38
03-28-2008, 02:24 PM
got mud? wrote:
once again RR I asked you for documented proof of how the "hams" actually helped out on 9/11 you failed to prove your point! you instead pasted some thing that pertains to something that happened after the fact. that does not support your original claim! you also had to bring up your detest of the cb radio how does that help your claim of the fcc will come to your rescue? your numbers prove that there has been NO growth in the "ham" usage in 40 plus years? not really a good argument that the FCC should concern themselves with it. the FCC is under funded because NO ONE CARES!!! THAT IS THE POINT!!! if people cared and the fcc could convince them then they would get the funding they need. someone once told me not to argue with ignorance because they will just drag you to there level an beat you with experience! i'm finally starting to understand what that means. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Those amateurs remained at their posts at the WTC for 30 days or more while communications infrastructure was rebuilt. It is not necessary for ME to defend a damned thing; it is all there for those with the intelligence to FIND and READ it for themselves Just because you are in desparate denial doesn't make your assertions true. Ignorance, sir, is based on facts or the lack thereof. The facts are there. Because you don't know what you are talking about WRT communications, you should stick to that knowledge you DO have. That is, that which is contained within the circumference of your steering wheel. Due to said circumference, it doesn't take much to contain it. FCC's underfunding is part of 1980's history when it became popular to cut funds even to agencies whose programs were vital. That unwise cutting is what led to the outright theft of spectrum from legitimate services. Yep, you're right. I have NO respect for a thief, and the depths to which that disrespect sinks, you may imagine the worst. Once again, and finally, there are actions and activities related to this matter to which none of us are privy. You may think what you will, none of US really care about THAT. It is RESULTS that we are looking for and these actions involve persuading FCC to 1. Cite and FINE the outlaws that soil useful radio spectrum with their presence. THIS has and IS BEING done NOW! Google "FCC and 10 Meters". PLENTY of actions against the chicken band outlaws since 2001. 2. Appoint a Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement. Done prior to 2001. 3. Thru said Counsel, begin to issue warnings and threats of fines to trucking companies as well as warning these companies to STOP their drivers from talking outside the CB band. Google "FCC and Truckers on 10 Meters" And before you starting mouthing off with off the wall speculations, it has not yet been necessary to actually fine the companies themselves. Why? Because the companies themselves who have been cited responded positively, had the equipment removed from their fleets, AND threatened their drivers with dismissal if they ever violated such policies and restrictions again. 4. Start FINING dealers and CB shops that sell illegal "10 Meter" radios Google "FCC and Radioactive Radios, GI Joe's CB Shop, Clay's, Pilot Travel Centers, Flying J, TA, Love's Travel Stops", and a list of others. Just because YOU say it isn't so, doesn't make it a lie. Go FIND it. It's THERE! Sounds like they are "caring" to ME! When they don't "CARE", you don't SEE anything happening. They USED to not care, and the CBers had a field day, boldly crowing, "them FCC fellers don't keer 'bout us CBers, an' we kin do anythin' we wanna." NOT ANYMORE. 5. Persuade FCC to go after the CB operators who caused interference to other services, used illegal 'leenyars", and went on "them thar extree channels thar". And they DID!!!!!!!!! Google "FCC goes after outlaw CBers with $10,000 fines"! Again just because YOU say they don't care, doesn't make it so. Sounds like they care a great deal. 6. Continuing to work on the concept of BANNING the CB-clone "10 Meter" radios from commercial trucks. It is closer to reality than you think, bub. Just because YOU think it not so-------just keep hangin onto that steering wheel. All the things you know about radio are contained therein. On and on and on! We could argue til doomsday. The law is on OUR side, not that of the outlaws. RR
#40
03-28-2008, 03:29 PM
Originally Posted by some_dude_in_michigan
"License, I don't need no stinkin' License"
Apparently the original post is a hoax, and that's a damn shame! Sadly, the FCC doesn't sit in Weigh Stations, where they could generate a lot of revenue giving out fines to ILLEGALS (Illegal Radio Operators in this case) and confiscating ILLEGALLY used or modified radios. The original poster may have come up with a great idea though, another way for more Federal Government Agencies to work together, to stop a Criminal Element in our society. I think I will forward this idea to the folks at the FCC. I'm sure that, like everyone else, they are feeling a budget crunch right now too! I say this as a FEDERALLY LICENSED AMATEUR RADIO OPERATOR. Yes, I'm one of the good guys who took the time to study, then be tested on what I studied, and to EARN the right to be called a Ham Radio Operator! That's something I'm proud of, much like I'm proud of studying, practicing and being tested and finally EARNING my CDL! As the border fanatics always say "WHAT PART OF 'ILLEGAL' DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" Now, I'm sure most of you don't want to see people just streaming over the border without going through all the proper red tape, right? That's something they need to EARN, if they wanna live here, right? Well, let's look at that honestly. All most of us, "Citizens Of The USA", had to do to earn that right was to poke our little heads out of mommies womb, while she was in a certain geographic location, and presto, we are United States Citizens! There are some things that require us to go through the proper steps to do, and other things we just shouldn't do period. This applies to radio equipment also. Do you want just anyone driving a Semi-Truck without a CDL, just because THEY think it is OK, after all they know how to use that truck, so why not? Do you want just anyone driving 4 wheelers just because THEY want to and think they know how to work that car? Do you want just anyone doing surgery on others just because THEY like sharp object and seeing blood? Do you want just anyone doing electrical wiring of buildings just because THEY think they know how to do it? Do you want just anyone going out and playing cop, just because THEY think they can spot a bad guy? OK, so why should we tolerate ILLEGALS that feel they can run any kind of radio equipment that THEY want to and use it in any way that THEY see fit? Yes folks, there are rules for radio use. In this case I'm sure the original poster thinks he has some really cool CB radio, well, let's look at some of the rules set forth by the Federal Communications Commission of the United States of America. And yes, this goes beyond people using 10m radios as CB's, it also shows how you shouldn't be taking your radio to some little dirtball hack (just slightly lower than a Lot Lizard) in a little shack near a truckstop to have them perform ILLEGAL procedures to it such as the ever so popular "Peak & Tune" or installation of an obnoxious noise generating device, or "opening it up" to use more frequencies than it was designed to do. Here's the rules: Questions will look like this, Items in ITALICS were highlighted by me, comments added by me will be in GREEN.
[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End] [Revised as of October 1, 1999] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.407] [Page 531] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.407 (CB Rule 7) On what channels may I operate? (a) Your CB station may transmit only on the following channels (frequencies): ------------------------------------------------------------------- Frequency Channel (megahertz--MHz) --------------------------=====-------------------------------- 1................................................. ... 26.965 2................................................. ... 26.975 3................................................. ... 26.985 4................................................. ... 27.005 5................................................. ... 27.015 6................................................. ... 27.025 7................................................. ... 27.035 8................................................. ... 27.055 9..........................................-.... \*1\27.065 10................................................ .... 27.075 11................................................ .... 27.085 12................................................ .... 27.105 13................................................ .... 27.115 14................................................ .... 27.125 15................................................ .... 27.135 16................................................ .... 27.155 17................................................ .... 27.165 18................................................ .... 27.175 19................................................ .... 27.185 20................................................ .... 27.205 21................................................ .... 27.215 22................................................ .... 27.225 23................................................ .... 27.255 24................................................ .... 27.235 25................................................ .... 27.245 26................................................ .... 27.265 27................................................ .... 27.275 28................................................ .... 27.285 29................................................ .... 27.295 30................................................ .... 27.305 31................................................ .... 27.315 32................................................ .... 27.325 33................................................ .... 27.335 34................................................ .... 27.345 35................................................ .... 27.355 36................................................ .... 27.365 37................................................ .... 27.375 38................................................ .... 27.385 39................................................ .... 27.395 40................................................ .... 27.405 --------------------------------------------------------- \*1\ See paragraph (b) of this section. (b) Channel 9 may be used only for emergency communications or for traveler assistance. (c) You must, at all times and on all channels, give priority to emergency communication messages concerning the immediate safety of life or the immediate protection of property. (d) You may use any channel for emergency communications or for traveler assistance. (e) You must share each channel with other users. (f) The FCC will not assign any channel for the private or exclusive use of any particular CB station or group of stations. (g) The FCC will not assign any channel for the private of exclusive use of CB stations transmitting single sideband or AM. Well, I don't see any frequency there not already in the standard off the shelf LEGAL CB manufactured by respectable companies. [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End] [Revised as of October 1, 1999] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.413] [Page 533] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.413 (CB Rule 13) What communications are prohibited? (a) You must not use a CB station - - (1) In connection with any activity which is against federal, state or local law; (2) To transmit obscence, indecent or profane words, language or meaning; (3) To interfere intentionally with the communications of another CB station; (4) To transmit one-way communications, except for emergency communications, traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks), or voice paging; (5) To advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or services; I bet most Speedco's, Truck Washes, "CB Shops" and Lot Lizards would love to know this. (6) To transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; There's a fortune to be made by the FCC in the average truck stop at night (7) To transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention; See comment above (8.) To transmit the word ``MAYDAY'' or any other international distress signal, except when your station is located in a ship, aircraft or other vehicle which is threatened by grave and imminent danger and your are requesting immediate assistance; (9) To communicate with, or attempt to communicate with, any CB station more than 250 kilometers (155.3 miles) away; (10) To advertise a political candidate or political campaign; (you may use your CB radio for the business or organizational aspects of a campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules); (11) To communicate with stations in other countries, except General Radio Service stations in Canada; or (12) To transmit a false or deceptive communication. (b) You must not use a CB station to transmit communications for live or delayed rebroadcast on a radio or television broadcast station. You may use your CB station to gather news items or to prepare programs. [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End] [Revised as of October 1, 1999] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.410] [Page 532] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.410 (CB Rule 10) How much power may I use? (a) Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the following values under any conditions: AM (A3)--4 watts (carrier power) SSB--12 watts (peak envelope power). What are the hacks in the "CB Shops" turning them up to? (b) If you need more information about the power rule, see the technical rules in subpart E of part 95. (c) Use of a transmitter which has carrier or peak envelope power in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the station. [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End] [Revised as of October 1, 1999] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.425] [Page 536] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.425 (CB Rule 25) May I make any changes to my CB station transmitter? (a) You must not make or have any one else make any internal modification to your CB transmitter. (b) Internal modification does not include: (1) Repair or servicing of a CB station transmitter (see CB Rule 24, Sec. 95.424); or (2) Changing plug-in modules which were certificated as part of your CB transmitter. (c) You must not operate a CB transmitter which has been modified by anyone in any way, including modification to operate on unauthorized frequencies or with illegal power. (See CB Rules 9 and 11, Secs. 95.409 and 95.411.)[48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, as amended at 63 FR 36610, July 7, 1998] [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End] [Revised as of October 1, 1999] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.411] [Page 532] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.411 (CB Rule 11) May I use power amplifiers? (a) You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to your certificated CB transmitter in any way: (1) External radio frequency (RF) power amplifiers (sometimes called linears or linear amplifiers); or (2) Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as a signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal. (b) There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power amplifier voids your authority to operate the station. (c) The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external RF power amplifier if-- (1) It is in your possession or on your premises; and (2) There is other evidence that you have operated your CB station with more power than allowed by CB Rule 10, Sec. 95.410. (d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply if you hold a license in another radio service which allows you to operate an external RF power amplifier. [48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, as amended at 63 FR 36610, July 7, 1998] [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to end] [Revised as of October 1, 1998] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.408] [Page 552-553] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.408 (CB Rule 8.) How high may I put my antenna? (a) Antenna means the radiating system (for transmitting, receiving or both) and the structure holding it up (tower, pole or mast). It also means everything else attached to the radiating system and the structure. (b) If your antenna is mounted on a hand-held portable unit, none of the following limitations apply. (c) If your antenna is installed at a fixed location, it (whether receiving, transmitting or both) must comply with either one of the following: (1) The highest point must not be more than 6.10 meters (20 feet) higher than the highest point of the building or tree on which it is mounted; or (2) The highest point must not be more than 18.3 meters (60 feet) above the ground. (d) If your CB station is located near an airport, and if you antenna structure is more than 6.1 meters (20 feet) high, you may have to obey additional restrictions. The highest point of your antenna must not exceed one meter above the airport elevation for every hundred meters of distance from the nearest point of the nearest airport runway. Differences in ground elevation between your antenna and the airport runway may complicate this formula. If your CB station is near an airport, you may contact the nearest FCC field office for a worksheet to help you figure the maximum allowable height of your antenna. Consult part 17 of the FCC's Rules for more information. [[Page 553]] WARNING: Installation and removal of CB station antennas near powerlines is dangerous. For your safety, follow the installation directions included with your antenna. [48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, as amended at 48 FR 41416, Sept. 15, 1983] [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to end] [Revised as of October 1, 1998] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.415] [Page 554] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.415 (CB Rule 15) Who is responsible for communications I make? You are responsible for all communications which are made by you from a CB station. And here comes the best part! [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 47, Volume 5, Parts 80 to End] [Revised as of October 1, 1999] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 47CFR95.421] [Page 534-535] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION PART 95--PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service Sec. 95.421 (CB Rule 21) What are the penalties for violating these rules? (a) If the FCC finds that you have willfully or repeatedly violated the Communications Act or the FCC Rules, you may have to pay as much as $10,000 for each violation, up to a total of $75,000. (See section 503(b) of the Communications Act.) WOW!!! That's more than speeding or log book tickets, and yes, if you get one you are expected to pay! (b) If the FCC finds that you have violated any section of the Communications Act or the FCC Rules, you may be ordered to stop whatever action caused the violation. (See section 312(b) of the Communications Act.) (c) If a Federal court finds that you have willfully and knowingly violated any FCC Rule, you may be fined up to $500 for each day you committed the violation. (See section 502 of the Communications Act.) (d) If a Federal court finds that you have willfully and knowingly violated any provision of the Communications Act, you may be fined up to $10,000 or you may be imprisoned for one year, or both. (See section 501of the Communications Act.) [48 FR 24894, June 3, 1983, as amended at 57 FR 40343, Sept. 3, 1992] It is time to start reeling in these ILLEGAL radio operators and make them pay, and also to make sure they are wearing their panties. comments added by me will be in GREEN |
